I get a little bit sad when I see these posts.
Join TMO/Rampage/BDA/Omni/Taken. Outside that you won't see either mob and in all likely hood you will outlevel being able to participate in a Class R kill or be denied from C because you are too low level and are useless on the more important mobs.
Edit: Forgot Divinity, I think they pick up the odd Vox kill. Believe they have a 55+ req though.
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