[heartbrand]

There aren't enough people interested in PvE progression to recruit into a guild capable of contesting holocaust on a routine basis. Because of this any leader in order to not bleed members to holocaust would need to do some sort of alliance with max / lite / curse / friends. I don't know much about the curse, but lite and max are psycopaths who will sabatoge their own progression over elf sim grudges, and friends has no interest in contesting raid pvp.