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Originally Posted by Samoht
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weren't they getting kills before TMO was ever a thing? the reason the paths diverged and they stopped was TMO became a blood thirsty machine willing to ignore rules to get their targets (no CSR VP).
then enter LawyerQuest. another glorious time for TMO raiding that raised their disdain even further in the eyes of the rest of the server.
so then you do in fact admit that Detoxx is wrong, that TMO members are former members of guilds not named TMO and they did in fact raid with and obtain loot from a guild not named TMO.
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No BDA was a Non-factor always. You apparently need to take your own advise and learn some server history. I am glad you are appealing to your betters now. I will make sure you get educated. That BDA Kool-Aid is toxic.
BDA actually started long before p99 and originally was waiting on eqclassic project (lol) BDA wasn't even raiding until just before Kunark was released. That would be including Fear/Hate/Sky as raids.
Occasionally BDA would get some raid target that no one else was going for. I.E Faydedar, Maestro, or (Verina Tomb) on a repop.
Pre-kunark IB, Ascension, WI, and a whole slew of other guilds (divinity) made p99 raiding a cesspool long before TMO even started here and long before Kunark or VP was released.
TMO was actually created as a casual guild for old school TMO people to hang out. We decided to make a serious raid push a couple(few) months into Kunark when we merged with DA. The raid environment was already shitty and BDA wasn't getting kills long before TMO even existed here.
You can't blame non-csr VP on TMO. IB also existed there or TR at the time. The non-csr rule was made because VP was not finished and pathing was severely broken. (Again learn server history)
Speaking of breaking rules why do you specifically target TMO while not mentioning IB/TR/Rampage? You do realize during that early VP era that TR/IB has a large portion of their guild including some officers deleveled and suspended for using MacroQuest? Later a large portion RMT'd off the server including some of their leadership?
There was also a VP rotation going on over the holidays that TR decided to break by reforming into IB while TMO was finishing sky.
Clearly your pick and choose what is acceptable or deemed as "breaking rules".
Maybe that demonstrates bias on your part? (kool-aid)>?
Again loot has nothing to do with training. Also other guilds doesn't mean BDA. Sure we have some members who were trained to raid by other guilds either on live or P99. BDA training just doesn't really apply.