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Originally Posted by Cecily
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I'm not saying you are. Just other people aren't agreeing with my bias towards rogue epic, which is the best epic, and therefore thread is wrong and silly.
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I agree, rogue epic is the most defining epic, it's not even a contest.
Except a few other minor things (like picklock or CRs), rogues only do one thing and have a single purpose. Damage. Their epic have the most impact because it directly increases the damage they do, which, coincidentally, is pretty much the only thing they're doing.
Other classes have workarounds and other skills/spells, meaning their epic won't create a strong impact like it does for rogues.
Which leads to me disagreeing with most people in this thread gushing about the bard epic, when in reality, while it's nice... It's definitely not *that* amazing.
The most common argument is the singing mod. It's true that it's the only item in the game that modifies singing. But does it really matter? In the grand scheme of things, not really, no.
So what
does increased singing modifier gives to a bard. Well, it gives you slightly better resists and DS from psalms, a better single-target snare/AC/AGI debuff with the level 51 song and a bit more mana per cast with the level 32 song. Haste and slow values on songs are never modified, whether from the voice modifier on the epic or by any instruments. Is it good? Yep, no doubt. Game-changing? Not even close.
The epic proc is surely very nice. 55% haste is better than what you can provide with songs, albeit still under what a chanter will give to melee in a raid setting. So unless you're in a melee-heavy group without a chanter, the proc basically becomes a +30STR/ATK for the melee group. Is it nice? Yes, of course. Does it give you whiter teeth and a bigger penis? Nope.
The epic also gives bard the luxury to not switch instruments during combat, or to play certain songs that require an instrument. You also give slightly better stats from songs that have stats associated to them due to the all-around 18 mod given by the epic, while you melee. Is it desirable? Of course. Is it worth selling your wife and child for it? I don't think so.
Now, when i read things like:
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Originally Posted by -Catherin-
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Bard epic is really the only epic I can think of that fundamentally changes how the actual class operates and is played. Depends what your definition of class defining is but to me that covers it.
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I just shake my head. A bard with, or without epic operates and is played the exact same way. You still mez and charm for CC, you still buff the melee in combat and help casters regen mana. You still give resists to your group in a raid.
Sure, you get some nice bonuses and an awesome proc (if there's no enchanter around), but that's it. Being able to give +40 MR or 10 more points on a damage shield isn't game-changing in any way whatsoever. At the very best, you will be able to pump more mana in the longer velious fights in the caster group, which might be noticeable to them after puretone fades.
The raving comments in this thread about the bard epic leads me to think that people are affected by the sunken cost fallacy, which makes you believe something is better because you have invested a lot in it. I had my epic during PoP, i raided and grouped with it. It is certainly nice and if someone magically offered me a bard epic MQ for free, i'd absolutely take it.
But "fundamentally changes the way the class operates as a whole". Not even close.