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Old 04-07-2015, 05:37 PM
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For raiding utility, cleric. For overall "class defining" - bard without question.

Just to expand - cleric epic has a ton of utility, but doesnt really change the way the class is played. Its a spell they already get, and while super useful, doesnt have nearly the impact on the class as the bard epic does. The cleric epic is really only game changing when youve got a pile of bodies to rez, where as on my bard everything i do is improved by having the epic to such am extent that it actually opens up new play style options that are unavailable to a non-epic bard.

Cant argue against the situational utility of the cleric epic, but in my mind the bard epic is definitely the most "class defining", as ambiguous as that phrase may be.
I think this is a crucial distinction in thinking about eq's epics. I know from an enchanter's perspective, it is why I was part of the protest on the effect once it was discovered (had 60 and VoG already when it was solved), and refused to get it, and will also never get it here on p99. If I have to tell you why a buff stick pisses off an enchanter, you do not understand the class. We wanted some kind of effect that impacted combat -- a better mem blur, an unresistable stun (with a high reuse time of course), or a slow to free up a combat slot.

But a manaless buff? A lot of us saw the writing on the wall when the epic got solved: They have run out of ideas about what to do with the enchanter class, and in fact want to unwind what our cc role is and shift us to buffers.

Velious then proved us right. Fuck the buff stick. Really.

Sadly, what should have been the epic won't ever be on p99. Notice what it is named, btw:

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