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Originally Posted by Sidelle
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Yeah, 'cuz Iran is our trusted friend and ally... And Obama has a backbone? Lol GTFO.
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Israel is an ally, not a friend. Their systematic meddling in our internal politics is a core tenet of their state diplomacy.
Do I believe in the Israeli-US alliance? I fucking hate the Muslim cultures of the middle easy, so
yes. Nobody brutalizes some Muslim savages like the Israelis.
(I do not feel the same way about westernized moderate Muslims. There are very few westernized moderate Muslims. A Muslim living in the West who hasn't abandoned his culture is not a westernized moderate Muslim)
If you want to understand what 'friend' actually means in the context of international relations, look at the USA and Britain. If you understood anything about what Israel has put us through in the last few decades, you wouldn't place them in that category.
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Originally Posted by Patriam1066
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lol
Iran getting a nuke is a good day for democracy? I really wish you guys had to live there for a month or so, just to get an idea how absolutely abysmal the government is on human rights. Most people live in total fear. It isn't always about how terrified they are of running afoul of the government; it's economic uncertainty, it's whether you'll be harassed for a bribe that day, or whether new sanctions will be placed on the implacable regime that still insists on supporting assad and Hezbollah over investing in the Iranian people's future.
Most years, iran is either #1 or #2 in the number of college educated lost to brain drain. It's a place where most people see no opportunity for themselves or their families.
I'm not getting into the nuke thing because I guess you guys don't see this starting a nuclear arms race in that region (it will), but I'll finish by saying that the bomb is just the latest theft in long series of transgressions committed by the Ayatollahs and the IRGC against the people they oppress.
brain drain:
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Obama acting contrary to the Israeli lobby is a good day for democracy. You know damn well that Israel has asked the US for permission to attack Iran(and for help) through secret channels, and Obama refused. That's why you've seen them trying so hard to sidestep Obama entirely. They are pandering to Republicans now, and Bibi is praying every night before bed for a Republican president, so that he can "defend Israel" at all costs... down to the very last American soldier.
Whether or not Iran gets a nuke, or whether the current negotiations are productive to that end, are separate issues entirely. If the United States decides certain actions are required to prevent nuclear proliferation in Iran, that is our decision. Israel does
not get to make that decision for us.
The younger generations of Iranians are a lot more liberal, pro-western, and secular, correct? Maybe when the old guard dies, Iran will come into the fold. It's a better strategy for the USA to bet on that happening, than it is for us to be the muscle behind an Israeli attack, and end up with another Iraq.