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Originally Posted by Big_Japan
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I don't give a fuck if Iran murders Iranian protestors, or if Iranian people are unhappy. That does not give my nation license to meddle in Iran's affairs. I'm not a totalitarian, sorry.
This is quite simply the "world police" argument. The US literally kidnaps 17 year olds and pumps ground chickpeas into their ass without medical necessity to torture them. You want to talk about evil governments?
The only way forward is to scale back our meddling in foreign affairs. Without the intense economic and military interference that has turned Iran into a pressure-cooker, we might actually have a chance at seeing peace and an open Iran governed more like Turkey, or like Iran was before we literally toppled the regime. Also, what kind of twisted doublethink does it take to blame Iran for not being open to the West when it is sanctioned to shit by the West?
Nuclear weapons are ugly, but nuclear deterrence brings some semblance of stability. That's what Israel can't have if it is to expand its hegemony over the region.
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1. No shit. I do care about them though, because that's the only ting that matters in this world. Regardless of what you believe in, millions of people live and die under despotism and poverty, and unlikely you, thats the ONLY thing I care about. I am motivated purely by good will towards other people. Am I wrong some of the time? Of course. But my motivations are pure. Free Iran. That government has no intention of ever giving its people dignity or doing anything other than turning the Middle East into a meat grinder. I can't simply ignore the evidence that they can't be trusted with a nuke. They can't be trusted with any sort of power.
2. Sanctions were introduced on Iran because of human rights violations. Should America continue to trade with people who blatantly imprison political dissidents and suppress women? We put sanctions on the Apartheid government of South Africa, but somehow those sanctions were moral but these weren't? Please, go live in Iran. You would agree with my opinions in less than 5 minutes.
3. No one, including America, has any moral right to a nuclear weapon. But allowing proliferation in a region that has shown itself to be flat out crazy is not a rational policy, its the covering up of the absence of a policy. If Brazil asks for a nuke tomorrow, I wouldn't be worried, why the fuck would I be? But a region where Iran, Pakistan, and (next) Saudi Arabia have nuclear weapons? That's a danger not only to the people of Iran that you don't care about, it's also a threat to all life on this earth. People who think the earth is 6,000 years old and that a meteorite in Mecca that was once a pilgrimage site for pagans but now magically is the symbol of the one true god should not have the capability to eradicate all life on the planet, especially when they've proven themselves in the past of atrocities.
I'm done with the argument. I get it guys, you don't want war with Iran. No shit, who the fuck does. Nuclear proliferation is just flat out a bad idea. As evil as you think America is, it just doesn't compare to places like Russia or Iran. It really doesn't.