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Originally Posted by toolshed
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On live, did anyone remember a guild punishment that was as weak as a 5 day ban? Honestly.
One of the big questions that I think is being posed in this thread is, why do we have such a problem with lawyerquesting on P99? I think the answer, and one of the biggest differences between live/retail and P99, is GM involvement. With GMs being involved less, and fines/punishments being more heavy, it made guilds get along rather than go tattle on one another to the GMs as fast as possible.
None of the raiding problems in Everquest and P99 - VP mob positions, guilds engaging without training one another, first to engage mobs - are new. None of them. Why act that way? Nobody is breaking new grounds here. We should enact some of the safeguards that live/retail had and stop using ignorance as an excuse. We, the playerbase, have been around too long for that excuse.
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this is the most obvious problem here. Its almost as if the GMs are afraid to punish people for things that they do( I wouldnt honestly know why, if TMO, or IB were disbanded its not like no top tier guild would be raiding and people wouldn't find a home). We are all over 20 now at the least if we play this game. When we were kids we learned how to bypass or tolerate punishment, when we got used to that we leveraged the punishment against the action that warranted it. Guilds on p99 do the same thing. They know that the punishment is simple and tolerable. I would go as far as saying they probably at times discuss the possibility of punishment and even nominate people specifically to break rules at times.
I really think 2 strikes is the way to go. we all have played this game before, we cant really rationalize camp stealing, and other heinous things here. One mistake and then after that you lose that account. Maybe a guild should get a max of 3 strikes before being forced to disband but thats it. Consequences are supposed to be real, and felt. They are supposed to teach someone not to make the same mistake twice. When people break the rules more than once, they are literally saying " fuck the rules, fuck who made them, and fuck who enforces them"
I think a good reason that live was more punishing about stuff that is allowed here is because they knew that people were addicted, and would come back, probably pay for the expansions again and they would still get money out of that person even if they were banned. Maybe its possible the GMs worry about exiling parts of their community? For what I wouldnt know, unless they get something out of the bad parts of this community.