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Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rofl @ Tuljin calling me out.

I leveled a wizard 1-50 in p99 classic and 51-60 when kunark was released.

I did every single wizard quest.

I use EVERY tool at my disposal, I am not one to blindly follow dogma. Hell, I'm even going take credit for pioneering and popularizing kelethin as an accepted quad spot 50+. On my ranger, I've CC'd 8-pulls in MM with 2/3rds the group alive while tanking successfully. I squeeze out extra damage with DS as a ranger, more sustainability by opening with swarmcaller, or bind sight for tricky harmonying.

I advocate unconventional groups constantly. In my 40s on my ranger in CoM, I preached that chain pulling in EJ to CoM ent with track was better exp than waiting for a CoM pull every 6 minutes. And am always looking at how I can synergize with LFG classes when I can't find a group to do things such as fear/agro kite.

I don't min-max, I've almost gotten a group featuring my ranger, 3 epic'd rogues and a shaman to execute a coup on me as a leader because I invited an iksar shadowknight because I didn't want to see him sitting on his ass LFG. (Exp was still incredibly shred, for the record.)

On my wizard 50+, I always had all my stuns up, even the lower ones to preserve mana for when only stun was necessary.

But all that being said, no matter how much I tried to utilize all my tools, every single seb/HS group I'd been in struggled in the DPS department even with charmed pets and epic'd rogues. I tried to rationalize a wizard's contribution to groups so hard just like you, but it just didn't add up. I was sick of being in slow groups and feeling the silent resentment of my party toward me while a rogue would call LFG. That's when I started number crunching and decided the intangible utility and benefits of a wizard were just not worth the trade-off in damage.

I hate min-maxing more than anything, but in a group setting wizards are just so fucking below the bar it's not worth it. It's the one hypocrisy I've accepted when it comes to this game.

Not every class needs to excel in groups.

This is true. You'd be better off inviting a non-tanking paladin for all that wizard utility (minus evac) plus better dps and some heals.