I take issue with a lot of this stuff, and I may be shooting the messenger, but if the messenger is disseminating poor quality information, it's better to stop them sooner than later.
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Ok, I can understand the "I can't deal with the message so I'll shoot the messenger" vibe, but "magic force"? I'm pretty certain when men said they'd force women to have sex they weren't talking about Puppet Strings [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] |
My point is that you have to know your pooled participants - which we don't - and that is easily manipulated. I had to do surveys in college as well I can tell you I wasn't truthful on all of them and I doubt I'm the only one especially when you're young and filling them out around your friends. 'Force' being ill-defined makes it ambiguous and can mean any form of force that your brain can think up. Most people don't take random surveys as serious as college entrance exams if they even take them at all.
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Again with the shooting the messenger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Look you didn't even need to go to the wikipedia page itself, just read the part I quoted:
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Using Current Population Survey (CPS) data for 1979 and 1995 and controlling for education, experience, personal characteristics, parental status, city and region, occupation, industry, government employment, and part-time status, Yale University economics professor Joseph G. Altonji and the United States Secretary of Commerce Rebecca M. Blank found that only about 27% of the gender wage gap in each year is explained by differences in such characteristics.
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We're not talking about some bogus study that some idiot pasted in to Wikipedia without any scrutiny, we're talking about a study conducted by an econ (not women's studies!) professor at Yale and the US Secretary of Commerce. I don't know how much more "official" of a study I can find for you. |
Is this a history lesson or are we talking current events? It's best to just stay away from Wikipedia as a reference. There are plenty of other academic journals and government reports available that are more 'reliable' and are open with their methods. Basing an opinion on on something like this from Wikipedia information is not the way to go.
As for the 1 in 6 number, I'm assuming you're referring to the 1995-1996 'Violence against women survey' published by the National Institute of Justice in 1998. There is a lot of interesting information there and some of it seems legit. I was impressed with the directness of the questions until I got to the last one in the 'rape' section. 'Has anyone, male of female, ever
attempted to make you have vaginal, oral, or anal sex against your will but intercourse or penetration did not occur?' This is a padding question and should not be included in the 'rape' survey as worded but being that this was a politically motivated study, there's no way you couldn't have it in there because then your numbers wouldn't be as strong. This is one of those questions that pretty much every girl can answer with a 'yes' and they were counted as 'rape victims' in the study. The other questions were VERY direct and unambiguous. Remember that girl you made out with in middle school that you totally thought you were going to finger but then when you slipped your hand down her panties she pulled you away and you were like, come on baby, and she said no and you walked away with blue balls? Yeah, that was attempted rape, or at least would be qualified as such by this study.
I'm not saying rape doesn't happen and that it's not something boys and girls shouldn't both be educated about. What I don't like is the poor statistics that get thrown around because of their sensational response.
Interesting fact from the survey: You are almost twice as likely to be the recipient of rape if you are an American Indian or Alaskan Native than if you're black. Check the facts and see what I did there.
tl;dr: I feel sorry for the next generation of kids. Can't make a gun shape with your hand (or out of toast for that matter) and can't get any action. <3 loramin for being a good sport.