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Originally Posted by Fael
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You are a complete fucking idiot actually--not because your wrong, but because you call others idiots without cause. Contrary to the BS you spewed, all juries are triers of fact: they weigh evidence and make a determination of what the facts are; and, in the case of a grand jury, whether those facts provide reasonable grounds for bringing an indictment.
Missouri’s constitution provides that before a grand jury may return an indictment, it must determine that probable cause exists that a crime was committed and the defendant committed it. State v. Eyman, 818 S.W.2d 883, 887 (Mo. App. 1992) “The probable cause for initiating a prosecution is defined in Palermo v. Cottom, 525 S.W.2d 758, 764 (Mo.App.1975), as ‘reasonable grounds for suspicion, supported by circumstances in evidence sufficiently strong to warrant a cautious man in his belief that the person accused is guilty of the offense charged.’” Perry v. Dayton Hudson Corp. 789 S.W.2d 837, 841 (Mo.App. E.D. 1990) (citing Palermo v. Cottom, 525 S.W.2d at 764.)
Contrary to what you suggest, the standard is not as high as 51% (preponderance). It is in fact much lower: “The phrase ‘reasonable grounds’ means ‘that under the circumstances an ordinarily careful and prudent person after having made a reasonable inquiry would have believed the facts alleged and that the judicial proceeding was valid.” Perry v. Dayton Hudson Corp. 789 S.W.2d 837, 841 (Mo.App. E.D. 1990) (citing Palermo v. Cottom, 525 S.W.2d at 764.) “Further, the facts must be considered as the prosecuting party could have reasonably believed them to be under the circumstances at the time. Id.
Your confusion about the 51% standard stems from the two issues before the grand jury: (1) was there reasonable grounds to believe a crime had been committed, and (2) is the person to be charged more likely than not the person who committed it.
If you had listened to the prosecutor last night, there was never any doubt or question about the second issue.
In summary, take your own medicine and "never speak again."
Dolic
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Grand Jurys are not triers of fact to the extent that they can determine guilt or innocence beyond a reasonable doubt as was suggested by that clown Aviaan when he said, " someone is trialed for charges against them and found not guilty through evidence" LOL.
I don't expect your average P99 R&F mouth breather to understand the difference between a grand jury and petit jury.
Additional, there is no confusion about the different burdens of proof. I clearly stated that it is a very low burden of proof requiring UP TO 51%. Courts disagree on what constitutes probable cause. Some courts cite it as 30%, 40%, or 51%, however number itself is just an attempt to characterize a complex legal concept into laymans terms.
But please continue citing statutes reinforcing my point about the very low burden of proof a grand jury labored under.