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Originally Posted by Erati
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Thanks TMO!
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This post me made sad btw, because from our few talks i honestly had you pegged as being better then attempting to prop up some random R&F post (from Heallun of all people lol) as a counter to any of the truth i've claimed here. But while we are doing history lessons and reflecting on what went wrong with FFA, let's do one that sticks to the facts:
- The first guild to jump the gun on the poopsocking was Europa, who very shortly after the changes went in decided to sit their entire raid force at the entrance of KC early in it's window. At which point i jumped over to the BDA vent, had a middle man talk about it with Chest, and he got them to stand down.
As far as the war of escalation over the simple desire to race from the zoneline goes:
- First guild to switch up where we all understood to run from - Taken (FoB instead of TT)
- First guild to bring in and use a mage - Taken (Sev)
- First guild to start coth ducking - Taken (Naggy)
- First guild to always start coth ducking after that first time - Taken
- First and only guild to try and skirt the zoneline rule by binding toons within a raid zone - Taken (Naggy)
That's not even getting into your leader being popped for autofire (overdue personal thanks on that btw, after i spent months trying to fight through your previous indifference to get that no tracker FTE rule in), killing mobs you didn't have FTE on, and/or the multiple feign ignorance infractions when you screwed everybody else out of an FTE either.
Meanwhile in Class C, where people had a legitimate interest in both competing and making that competition work, 2 guilds who mostly loathe each other made a simple deal that took all of 20 minutes. No mages, and everybody running from the same spot (with no more then sow speed in VP, so anybody with a pot could do it). That deal still stands today.
Has TMO had various incidents of people needing to be told to stop exp'ing/cash camping and gtfo out of a zone? Sure, same as everybody else (i've personally had to point out your shamans camping Tranix shouldn't be there on multiple occasions). To my knowledge nobody has had any real issues resulting out of such though, unless you want count BDA on that Trak.
Do we tend to field a couple extra people that hang around and keep our pullers/tank buffs up? Yup. Does that number tend to creep up the very small amount of times we see a select few mobs go stupid late in window? Sure.
That is all still a far, far cry away from Taken batphoning a dkp poopsock raid on VS a few spawns back with 9 hours left in his window, and then parking a 50+ man raid at the ent of KC. Wasn't the first time, won't be the last. Which for the record, the last person to call one of those monstrosities for TMO was Eccezan, and he quit back in March. In fact, and outside 2-3 mobs who went to a minus 30 minute window, i personally can't recall a single instance of either Class C guild sitting an entire raid at a zoneline. I can however recall multiple incidents of Class R guilds doing it in FFA, which likely accounts for a significant % of their individual attempts at that.
But by all means, keep spinning away here...with your hand held out in a veiled attempt to score yourself more uncontested mobs. Personally, I came here to reach out to the other guilds, in hopes that at least a few of the not so jaded bunch might actually possess the ability to see past this wall of "with no high level guarantee of loot, it's just not worth it" shortsightedness a few of you have built around yourself. That starts with a willingness to embrace the potential of regular failure as an acceptable option though...something half here have already proven their unwillingness to do over the years. Regardless what changes could/should be made to accommodate them.
Maybe i'm just too much of an optimist though. I was really hoping to see at least one cut-to-the-chase "with change X/Y/Z, you could expect my guild to be willing to go after FFA mobs" post go up
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