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Originally Posted by arsenalpow
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Why should the community be forced to decide a punishment? Not even trolling, serious question.
Catherin pointed out an infraction, IB once made aware of the infraction moved. TMO was defiant and trolled in response, never moved, and benefitted from it. Sirken's statement is well known, TMO has raided plenty of times to know this. Why should blatant disregard for a known rule need tacit approval from the community?
I think the complete disregard even after the dialogue shows a behavior pattern that we've seen so many times before. Levy a strong punishment to discourage this type of behavior and to set an example going forward that this type of crap won't be tolerated by the staff or community.
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That was my post. "Benefitted from it" is under the assumption that your location aided your ability to successfully get FTE. It's the same assumption Catherin had to make when she said (and I'm paraphrasing) "I don't know if it helped TMO or if they would have gotten FTE anyways etc etc"
I'm more concerned with the behavior itself and not the specific infraction and/or the gains. I specifically said pattern of behavior for a reason. You can disagree all you want but I'm above the opinion that Catherin shouldn't have to be policing your guild. IB was in the wrong, was told about the rule and they gladly moved away. The TMO response was basically "fuck you, we do what we want" which has been the general opinion of your guild since it's inception.
This pattern of behavior can be seen in the Dinacarl train. "Fuck you, we train if we want" and there next to no repercussions. That's the main issue that I have. Every time your guild bends a rule or fucks IB over in VP you act like it's your god given right to do so and 95% of the time the staff either defends you or it's a slap on the wrist. Every time should be a demerit and those penalties should escalate. Saying that class c (and VP specifically) should expect collateral damage when "competing" for targets because VP is such a complicated zone is bullshit.
You and your guild should be held to the same standards as everyone else. You aren't fucking special, you don't get to stand on a spawn point and Catherin shouldn't have to watch you like a hawk and have multiple instances of fraps proving it to make sure you behave like everyone else. The forum lawyering is nauseating too.
Y'all wonder why none of the class R guilds want to get into class C, it's because of your guilds turns the raid scene into a circus and it's been like that for 4 years. Grow up.