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Old 10-21-2014, 06:41 AM
Derubael Derubael is offline
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We don't have access to any additional information than what has been presented here by Catherin. Based on the evidence provided we would be unable to take any action against TMO. Screenshots provide little usable evidence for us, and we will rarely be comfortable handing out a guild wide suspension without significant additional evidence to support the petitioners claim. In this particular case the screenshots provided and varioous logs simply don't build enough of a case to prove a violation.

I will also add that violating a rule in order to catch someone violating a rule is generally NOT recommended, something that has come up in the past. In this particular case it wouldn't have been overly difficult to take these screenshots away from the spawnpoint (or a fraps!!). It's important to make every effort to follow the rules as closely as possible, even to catch other rulebreajers. If you
are unable to record the event yourself, please petition and at the least a Guide will usually be
available to observe and then relay their findings to the GM staff. You should never put yourself in a compromising position in order to catch a violation. Granted, in this case I would hardly consider Catherine's actions to be a violation, but the point should be clearly made that you put yourself at risk by breaking a rule to catch violaters. Two wrongs dont make a right.*

Lastly, it is up for debate as to whether or not sitting at or near sevs spawn point is a violation. Someone would need to speak with Sirken directly (likely something we will discuss tomorrow) to get a clear answer, as he holds the Lead-CSR position and the statement was atrributed to him in the first place. I only glanced briefly at what he said but I took it as more of a suggestion to keep guilds from getting in trouble rather than a hard rule. The rule itself being that trackers cannot FTE, which I do not believe was violated. This is my personal take on the situation, and likeky Sirken's intention, as we prefer to limit the number of restrictions we place on where players may stand when waiting for a spawn, the exception being the poopsock rules we currently have in place - we have always wanted to avoid that as much as possible.