Love that you guys are trying to find solutions here. I've seen some really great suggestions in this thread. I hold my own opinions on how things should work, namely that I still want to see guilds working to move from class r to class c (and I know that Sirken echos this desire, Rogean/Nilbog just want their GM's to be happy/not stressed and their players to have access to content they didn't have access to before - I support this 100%). We're really trying to shift to a more player-driven raid scene, and will likely support whatever idea the majority of the community can agree on.
That being said, two things to keep in mind:
1) If all the guilds can't agree, we can't implement anything without a Senior Staff meeting and approval of the idea(s). As some of you know, this takes a significant amount of time, so it may be best to focus on things that make the raid scene better for everyone, rather than one class or the other (variance mods and poopsock rule changes are a good example of this). inb4 Chest says impossibru. Just kidding.
2) VP will never be a "Class R" thing. The "best" content is always going to be something that will go to the guilds who put the most time/effort into getting there. That being said, I know a number of guilds are worried about going after VP because they aren't sure how the transition from C to R works. As far as we've discussed at this point, a guild would need to request the move back to R once they've moved to C. This is likely something that would be evaluated based on that guilds record competing in Class C. Other factors may be looked at as well. If you guys have some ideas on what you think a guild would need to do to constitute such a move, a new thread on the topic would be encouraged and welcomed.
Edit: Other suggestions on VP are welcomed. My knee jerk reaction was to suggest downing a VP mob no longer being an "automatic" bump to Class-C, but that just exacerbates the problem we have with not enough incentive to move to Class-C. So with that off the table, other suggestions are encouraged.
I know that point 1 really sucks, but that's just the way it works. We have a lot of things to focus on at any given time, and getting us all together to discuss the raid scene takes a colossal effort. We hardly have enough time to do GM meetings on topics that Sirken and I need addressed. That's not to say it won't happen, just that we need a clear, concise, and focused topic to bring up that we know is backed by the community as a whole (or as much of it as possible).
I hope you all can agree on some ways to improve the raid scene for everyone - it's not supposed to be easy, but I promise that it is possible. Good luck, at the very least I look forward to seeing what you're all able to come up with.
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