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Originally Posted by paulgiamatti
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Then I'll simply ask if anyone else thought I was being unclear in my original statement that infractions like genital mutilation, though minor in the grand scheme of horrific crimes perpetrated upon humanity, are indeed immoral and reprehensible but shouldn't be the determining factor in whether a free state deserves a moral pass. If you can't see how that's relevant to universal morality, then that's no problem of mine.
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I would rather go back to the original point as opposed to arguing semantics (not disregarding what you are saying, I in fact agree with most of it, it is not relevant to the original question is all).
The Religious claim is that either a. Morality is in our hearts because of God or b. Humans are universally immoral without the Bible. They pick one or the other depending on which suits their purposes at what time.
Secularists (I at least) are aware that while morality is something, it's a mere concept and is absolutely not universally uniform, but varying types of morality (universally?) exist among (most) animal species, man included. Is it hereditary or socially constructed or both? Honestly I have no fucking clue. I do know that hereditary morality would be subject to change in the same way that hair color, height, intelligence, etc. have variations within the same gene pool.
In short I think the original question was malformed.