[xblade724]

This is a compilation of all the overdue changes/fixes/nerfs/bugs (whatever you may call it -- just "not acting as intended" discrepancies) that bards need to bring them back to not only classic, but competitive, fun, and fair. These are not all just benefits, but also nerfs that doesn't reflect how it ever was in classic or current live, such as epic proc. It's been years and none of these have been touched, rendering us bards feeling lonely without a warm-fuzzy feeling. It's a shame that after all this time and all the fixes/new changes to the server rules that brought me back that this still hasn't even been touched -- we are small in population, but like fat people, we need love too: I will cross out each one out as fixed with an update to WHAT changes were made, and update as people add comments and replies:

1. KNOCKBACK AMOUNT 75% LESS THAN NORMAL: Brusco's Boastful Bellow (and other knockbacks, not just bards) -- the knockback is insigificant compared to what it should/used to be, and does not interrupt spells as guaranteed as it should as well. The knockback amount also applies to other spells, such as a few wizard spells and druid wind spells
   
2. CHARM DURATION TOO SHORT: 3 ticks is useless -- please fix it to the correct duration
   
3. EPIC STUN TOO LONG: Too long duration, nerf it
   
4. SELOS SHOULD BREAK ROOT/SNARE (or at LEAST have % chance to, as offered compromise): Does not break root or snare. Bards are 100% useless if rooted or snared, quite literally. Also prevents trolls when swarm kiting, running along and just rooting/snaring before running off
   
5. RESISTS STILL BROKEN (which is another reason to fix Selo's): This probably applies to everyone, but having 140+ MR and snares etc still land often, what ??
   
6. CHANTS DAMAGE TOO LOW: -33% here, while this was not on live. We are already useless in PvP compared to other classes, our melee doesn't do anything, and damage is low compared to other classes, cmon.
   
7. MEM DISPEL PROBLEM: quoted below, not quite sure what this means.. I'll update this if someone can clarify
   
8. BARD MELEE TOO TONED DOWN: I'm not sure of the mechanics behind this, but quoted below. Not sure if this is confirmed issue or a theory. I mean, I can see it, I'm sort of useless, but wasn't sure if it was just bards in general with melee. I'll update later.
   
9. Psalm of Purity should cure poison/disease -- lucy shows it removes counters~

REFERENCES/RELATED:

Originally Posted by Swyft [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they epic'd sure, if they aren't I don't know what to tell ya.

I mean sure here they're chants land but they still minus 33% dmg which they weren't on live, mem dispel problem solved.(unless ya wanna blow 80 pumices)

Selo's doesn't break root or snare like it did on live, so one root they dead.

They can't really charm kite stuff into ya because it lasts 3 ticks lol.

All they got is brusco's bombastic bellows, which without epic barely lands and sucks but with epic can last 8+ secs.

Denon's which lands alot but has very small range

Epic'd they one of the nastiest classes on the server without it they just gnats with speed.

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if staff fixes anything about bard let it be the snare that lands even when u have 140+ MR

Originally Posted by Swyft [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

epic brusco stun the worst lol 12 second stun in pvp, shit you can remove snare, how you think Nihilum spammed so many kills lol run as group epic bard stun guaranteed kill.

99% of my deaths by Nihilum were due to epic brusco'ing me and then the rest blowing every disc they had, makes t-staff look like a joke.

Originally Posted by Swyft [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well the true reason everyone says bards op is because what really happens is a 60 bard runs in with brusco's stuns ya for 10 sec's and the group kills ya. That's why everyone is always saying fucken OP bards.

But it really does come down to the bard's epic amplifying stun duration and annoying ass highsun.

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if staff fixes anything about bard let it be the snare that lands even when u have 140+ MR

Originally Posted by iiNGloriouS [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It [Brusco's Boastful Bellow] has a knockback function still, just very small compared to live. Paired with melee its enough to interrupt a cast a good amount of the time.

Originally Posted by Swyft [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The coding on Knockbacks in general is wrong here. Set to about 25% the effectiveness of live. Also seems to have been programmed to let every player auto regain(even melee without channeling lmfao) if the player reaches the end of his cast. So if the player is about 75% done with the cast, they always regain.

Originally Posted by Swyft [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bard's do suck until 55+ sure they are impossible to kill pretty much, but they are also the worst at putting someone down. All you can do is chant kite people until you get denon's. Even there charm is busted lasts 3 ticks when it should last a full minute.

Brusco's helps but you really can't start owning face with a bard till lvl 59.

Bard's only overpowered here because of epic it amplifies there stuns which it shouldn't.

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You may as well dot kite til level 59 poison stun.
Also bard melee is way toned down here. Not saying there not great for pvp, but with epic, hitting for 13s is laughable.

+8/30

Both kunark and velious-era spdats show Psalm of Vitality as removing 1 disease counter and Psalm of Purity removing 1 poison counter.
Quote:
Psalm of Vitality

Increase Disease Resist from 39 (L29) to 70 (L60)
Removing 1 Disease counters
Increase Armor Class (AC) from 4 (L29) to 6 (L60)
Classes: Brd (L29)
Area Effect Range: 50 feet
Skill: Singing
Allowable Targets: Full Group
Resistance Check: None
Spell Duration: Unknown
Duration Formula: 5
Casting Time: 3.0 seconds
Recast Delay: 12.0 seconds
Spell cast on you: You feel protected from disease.
Spell fades: Your aura fades.
Quote:
Psalm of Purity

Increase Poison Resist from 47 (L37) to 70 (L60)
Removing 1 Poison counters
Increase Armor Class (AC) from 4 (L37) to 6 (L60)
Classes: Brd (L37)
Area Effect Range: 45 feet
Skill: Singing
Allowable Targets: Full Group
Resistance Check: None
Spell Duration: Unknown
Duration Formula: 5
Casting Time: 3.0 seconds
Recast Delay: 12.0 seconds
Spell cast on you: You feel protected from poison.
Spell fades: Your aura fades.