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Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Navir was your mage

i always knew navir was a troll, and i always thought that when he left BDA, he'd join omni, but he joined taken instead? guess i need to get up to date.

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not that it matters, we weren't even mad about that.

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The loot off this naggy was trash, and nobody cared that we lost the kill.

you guys sure did cry a lot on this one for people who didn't care...

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we all know you wanted to make sure class C didn't kill Naggy.

dumb assumptions

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The bigger issue was that IF we had let this slide, Taken/BDA could engage with as many trackers as they wanted to make sure mobs stay between them.

dumber assumptions. we all know that TMO is the scum of the server and that Taken gives them a close race. why would anybody choose to work with either guild?

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So Taken could have a warrior and a cleric, and BDA could have a warrior and a cleric and they could engage, hold FTE safely, and kill the dragon together with no chance at wiping. That's a tremendous advantage, not just over class C, but over any other guild competing. That's why this couldn't be allowed to slide.

just because TMO has tried to do this twice with their alts/feeder guilds doesn't mean the rest of the server has the same hard-on for denying pixels to other players that htey do.

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was two seperate guilds

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Thus it's one raid.

these two guilds are not in an alliance and you said so yourself that they weren't working together. you're just trying to bend facts to fit your agenda.

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but one FTE and one engage.

and only one guild got loot. so it was clearly not a joint raid.

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FE/IB did not always split their loot actually. Many times all the loot from a kill would go to one guild or the other.

nobody gives a fuck if class C guilds are abusing their relationships. go bitch about this somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do think that this very mild punishment is more or less fair.

TMO would want to punish people for having fun.

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I can see how this rule could be overlooked

because it's not a rule.

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class C didn't even notice that a rule had been broken at first. It was almost completely overlooked by us too.

and then in stepped dumbrella, a young lawyer.

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You did the same thing on a Vox a few weeks before that we didn't even think of challenging. Too bad about the statute of limitations right?

what the fuck are you talking about? i don't think i've ever done a vox raid on this server. dragons raids here are too much of a clusterfuck thanks to TMO.

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I assume most of them have been deleted because they are huge files which take up a lot of space, and generally they are deleted immediately when we don't need them.

or when they prove that you're lying.

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys keep bringing up tagging for faction, or just running in and hitting a mob that is about to die. However, encounter logs show how much damage and hate was done to a mob, per person, in addition to how long they are on the encounter log. So if you had just run in to tag for faction, like you guys keep repeating for some reason, then the GMs would be able to tell

nobody said that they tagged naggy for faction. they said that they killed it for the hell of it. it's YOUR stance that they assisted explicitly to deny TMOs right to pixels.

what i keep bringing up is how bad of a precedent you're trying to set. it's going to cause serious issues in velious if TMO wants it to be considered a joint raid force just for jumping in at the end of a kill that's already been secured. people will be doing it all the time on tormax/dain/yelinak. it's classic and definitely deserves to be allowed on this server.

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However that's not the conclusion that they came up with.

no it's not. but that didn't stop dumbrella from bitching and moaning until he got his way.

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You engaged and killed Nagafen when a significant amount of his health was still remaining, and did a significant amount of threat and damage.

how is this even pertinent? it's not like they tried to KS or make any kind of claim to the loot.