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Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

do you admit that this rule was not broken? y/n?

No. It absolutely was broken. Navir was your mage and Taken had a warrior and cleric on spawn. That's 3 people.


this is where your logic falls apart. you simply assume that it was BDAs goal to unite with Taken. there's nothing to prove your claim. how do you know that it wasn't simply their goal to punch the mob that they had just spent 16 hours socking independent of the success of Taken? at that point, it's not a joint raid, it's a Taken raid (the one that had FTE) and a BDA raid that had conceded the mob to Taken and decided to just have a little fun at the end. and then TMO cried.

It doesn't matter what their goal was. However lets be honest, we all know you wanted to make sure class C didn't kill Naggy. Not that it matters, we weren't even mad about that.

What you, and many others fail to understand is that many raid disputes are more about setting a precedent than just getting a free mob here or there. The loot off this naggy was trash, and nobody cared that we lost the kill. The bigger issue was that IF we had let this slide, Taken/BDA could engage with as many trackers as they wanted to make sure mobs stay between them. This was back when trackers could FTE mobs. So Taken could have a warrior and a cleric, and BDA could have a warrior and a cleric and they could engage, hold FTE safely, and kill the dragon together with no chance at wiping. That's a tremendous advantage, not just over class C, but over any other guild competing. That's why this couldn't be allowed to slide.

who cares, it was two separate guilds and it was two separate raids.

It was two seperate guilds, but one FTE and one engage. Thus it's one raid.

who cares about this, either. FE and IB were clearly an alliance that split their loot. there was no split in the loot between taken and BDA because they're not an alliance and weren't working together.

FE/IB did not always split their loot actually. Many times all the loot from a kill would go to one guild or the other.


only if it fits the TMO agenda, amirite?

Sure


no it's not, it was unfounded and needs to be overturned and any rule against hitting another raids target without disrupting their raid needs to be fixed before velious comes out because people will be tagging tormax/dain/yelinak kills for faction.

I do think that this very mild punishment is more or less fair. I can see how this rule could be overlooked, class C didn't even notice that a rule had been broken at first. It was almost completely overlooked by us too. You did the same thing on a Vox a few weeks before that we didn't even think of challenging. Too bad about the statute of limitations right?

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where did all the fraps of the naggy incident go? Why destroy the evidence if you could prove taken was wiping? Did any taken admit they would wipe if BDA had not interfered with their Naggy?

I assume most of them have been deleted because they are huge files which take up a lot of space, and generally they are deleted immediately when we don't need them. I deleted mine probably 15 minutes later, before we even realized a rule had been broken. We didn't need them here, and still don't.

You guys keep bringing up tagging for faction, or just running in and hitting a mob that is about to die. However, encounter logs show how much damage and hate was done to a mob, per person, in addition to how long they are on the encounter log. So if you had just run in to tag for faction, like you guys keep repeating for some reason, then the GMs would be able to tell. However that's not the conclusion that they came up with. You engaged and killed Nagafen when a significant amount of his health was still remaining, and did a significant amount of threat and damage.