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Originally Posted by bktroost
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Taken, the last OOA was killed before IB made the agreement to leave OOAs up. As of 4 days ago we had a new agreement signed by EVERYONE in the sky rotation to leave the OOAs alive. This is a fully signed agreement and has 0 caveats or loop holes in regards to keeping the OOAs alive.
There is no reason why any guild who signed this should have any doubt--from this moment forward--as to whether or not they should leave the OOAs up. Everyone in this rotation agrees.
As of this moment right now let no one claim ignorance that the OOAs are hands off and this has been fully agreed upon by everyone in the sky rotation.
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I have yet to see even a half consensus about whether we can get everyone to agree to allow the GMs to enforce punishments should a guild breaks the agreement and kills the Overseers.
You are JUMPING and LEAPING to conclusions. All sky guilds ( minus Bob) have said they will not kill Overseers however there is still no agreement on whether we can get everyone to support GM intervention should another 'bad day for us' event happens and a guild decides to kill the Overseers after signing this agreement.
I have not seen TMO or IB say they support GMs helping police this agreement.
Taken has since the moment IB killed Overseers been consistent: there is no agreement as the previous one broke the second an Overseer was slain.
Its nice and good that others are rushing to push this back through and get the cycle going again, but again it is futile unless we can get some ability to hold people accountable for their actions.
Taken has had a crystal clear stance on this.
We wont kill any Overseers once an OFFICIAL agreement is in place and all we are waiting to see is full support of the Devs to police this and right now I dont think the Devs think we have any kind of consensus or they would have commented.
Class R ( minus Bob) seems to be pretty much in agreement with:
1. Nobles are raid mobs and cannot be killed on suspension
2. Overseers will not be killed in order to spawn more Nobles
Any guild that breaks #2 is subject to punishment from the GMs whether that be a raid suspension, a sky suspension, a Noble suspension....I dont know
No one has even started to discuss that.
We need to give the GMs a policy they can enforce and stop crying about things. Everyone rather bicker and point fingers at who they feel is in the wrong rather than try to come up with tangible things the GMs can hold us accountable to.
The GMs are not responsible for how the players divy up Nobles, Class R has own our methods to deal with that as did TMO and IB. That is fine and dandy but we dont need an agreement on Noble Dojorn besides declaring him ( and the cycle ) raid mobs.
We need to stop derailing this thread with talk about how to deal with the extra Nobles, it is irrelevant. What we need right now is a hard lined consensus from all the guilds involved in this whether they agree to
1. Nobles are raid mobs and cannot be killed on suspension
2. Overseers will not be killed in order to spawn more Nobles
and what kind of punishments they would like to see or agree to should someone break #2.
So until we have everyone chiming in about that, I am sorry Nemce but there is no current agreement no matter how many times guilds run here and say they wont kill them
We tried that last time and all it took was 1 bad day to throw it all away. No point going down that path again without something hard lined.