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Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Read!

Pseudo - "not genuine; sham.", Syn: "bogus, sham, phony, artificial, mock, ersatz, quasi-, fake, false, spurious, deceptive, misleading, assumed, contrived, affected, insincere;"

Attaching Pseudo to a word doesn't divorce it from the word and make everything not the word a pseudo- version of it. Saying it is a pseudo-WoW instancing is still attaching the rotation to an instance, but saying it is a phony, an artificial, a mock, a fake, a false, a deceptive, a misleading, or contrived version of an instance. But it is still defined as an instance, just a sham, lame attempt at it. An orange is not a pseudo-apple. Those fake fruits house sales people put on tables, those are pseudo-apples.

I did read.

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're wrong. One single person came up with this idea, and everyone else who currently supports it has drank the koolaid.

Based on... What? The idea of rotating mobs was not thought up by a single person, and it has been around since classic. It has been around in other forms of social distribution of resources throughout history. The idea of rotating mobs among the Class R guilds, further, could not have occurred without consent from those who have the most to gain from No rotation.

Lets just think about the logic here: If I am a profit maximizing asshole, a true to form Davos man, a Bentham utilitarian exemplar, I want what is going to give me the most at all times. If I am a guild like Bregan D'Aerth, or Taken, and so on, and I want to be the profit maximizing asshole, do I get any real benefit from a rotation?

Well, as we know, you get a kill, and you are locked out for 2 rounds. This means that Class R, as the rules are now, could be locked down by 3 strong guilds. Guild A, Guild B, Guild C. There is also Guild D, E, F, and G. But they do not have the numbers, the force, or the strength to take on that. Guild A, B, and C compete on the first spawn of Mob 1. Guild A gets it. They are now locked. Guild B and C and guild D compete on Mob 2, and C gets it. Then Guild B competes with the weaker Guild D & E to get it. So you get a rotation of A -> C -> B, and the only guilds that can compete for those mobs have to go against one of these top guilds to do it. Since A and C are not fighting over the same mob in successive attempts, comparable skill sets are not put against one another.

Now, what happened instead is that every guild in Class R decided that it was mutually beneficial to create a rotation. The higher, more powerful guilds gave up their chance at having 33% of all mobs.

The entire logic of a rotation works against you, as one single guild could not make that happen. It takes, at a minimum, one of the guilds in A/B/C to create a rotation with D/E/F/G. The very fact that the guilds in Class R that are powerful enough for this gave this up for the benefit of Class R guilds more generally is far from the act of a single individual.

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Competition is classic. Helping other guilds is classic. Unfortunately, clamoring for a vending machine is also classic. GM-enforced rotations are not classic.

"Vending machine"... And you ask how what you said was RnF? Lol. And you say other Class R guilds drink the kool-aid.

Still beside the point though, this server isn't classic. There is far too much on this server for it to be anywhere close to it. This server would need a huge enema for it to even start to resemble classic. In lieu of that, at least people can feel their nostalgia again. The competition guilds are up against in this bloated server is far from classic.

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why couldn't it be?

Because time is linear to us at the moment?

Unless you can duplicate player's ignorance, the client, the connections, the lack of available information from outside a player's mind, and make it the late 90's again, you're not going to get classic. We know too much about how this game works for it to be a genuine classic experience. We don't have to pay for a subscription allowing for people to make dozens of accounts without issue. We haven't had less than a Year in Classic and in Kunark for that content to occur.

All of this directly cuts against any chance for this server to be Classic. It allows for the server to be bloated. What we have is Pseudo-Classic. But it's better than No-Classic.

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone could see any part of this game through the lens of the classic experience on Project 1999 if they put in the work. What you're on about is that people get to see the same content but with no work.

In a world where people think that accomplishing anything in EverQuest can be done with no work. There's a difference from the classic experience of grinding up to 60, joining a top raiding guild of people who were, more or less, on the same timeline on you. Now, you're grinding up and going against stuff that has been bloated for years worth of stale content.

As a quick side note, I will point out that this isn't something to be blamed on anyone, gods know the devs do great work and I offer them all the respect in the world, this is just the negative side effect.

Further, it was made rather clear that no, you wont get to see the same content with no work. That is yet another example of RnF logic, saying that it is "no" work, rather than "less" work. Those are two very different words, and they mean very different things. Being a Class R guild still comes with work. It may be "less work" (which I argue is not necessarily the case, merely a different type of work), but for that different work, you're Restricted. If you want to put in "more work", as you put it, then you can go to Class C. Additionally, if you want to stay in Restricted, you will never see Veeshan's Peak. You will never see the top of the line content.

So, again, RnF logic: "What you're on about is that people get to see the same content but with no work." It is neither the same content, nor is it no work.

That's why I commented that you were saying you were posting before RnF, but you were using RnF logic.