Originally Posted by Buhbuh
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I haven't gotten through the whole thread yet, because I wanted to stop on this point.
Azrael are being the disingenuous ones.
You guys have to stop projecting that you're the only option against Nihilum and let a 3rd guild work itself out. Don't shit all over a guild if it ends up working with Nihilum to better stand alone in the future, and don't try to poach members you ultimately don't want.
Red Dawn, at least from my point of view as an officer, wasn't going to be merging with Nihilum at any point, or even going to be friends with them after all the help. And I think even from their point of view, they liked having a third guild present to contest against shit. It certainly made the tension/ outcome more dynamic. I liked it more, personally. You guys went full retard on the boards and in ooc (just like you do now, as you always have at any point in time on the server) and called us nuthuggers, scumbags, etc etc.
The point of it all from our perspective was to become a force of well geared mains as quickly as possible for the release of Velious so that we wouldn't have something like we do now. You guys knew deep down that all our good or knowledgeable players would go Nihilum if the guild crumbled, and yet you actively sought it out after we began working with Nihilum. Yes, we helped them destroy you guys on several occasions. And we were rewarded quite handsomely (not me personally).
You act like we were just in it for the loot, but the reality is that a good majority of us left that guild down hundreds of thousands of plat, countless hours wasted or spent on players who quit or clearly didn't/ don't appreciate it, and a bunch of loot given away to players for nothing but grief. I joined that guild BiS pre-VP, and I left it the exact same way. Plenty of others can tell you the exact same thing.
Several things prevented us from moving forward, though, including (and this is Lite's and Heartbrand's bad) posting logs of Heartbrand trying to play both sides. Lite's intention was to hurt the guild. I guess he wanted all of our players (and now, strangely, doesn't), or he just misinterpreted what we were doing with Nihilum and wanted us dead. I don't really know. Heartbrand over-extended and got caught, terminating any agreements that we previously had. He admittedly knows this. He fucked up... bad.
But we were still on our way to a three guild thing before all of that happened.
Keep this is mind, though: if Azrael is not the guild to use numbers in order to contest (especially come Velious), then step the fuck back and let someone else who's willing do it. Be your little hit squad all you want, but don't brand yourselves as the premiere guild to contest when you aren't or simply can't do it.
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