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Originally Posted by JayN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does TMO condone/support/defend Unbrella's role in this event? Yes or No

yes he tried to resolve this issue and was told to fuck off.

How about this do you support/condone/defend Chest your guild leaders actions or behavior ?

answer that smartass

Thanks for playing......

Um actually thats not how it happened: lets review shall we?

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

here's the actual conversation, get your facts straight

[Mon Jun 02 17:58:11 2014] Unbrella says out of character, 'wtf are you doing?'
[Mon Jun 02 17:58:15 2014] Unbrella says out of character, 'chest'
[Mon Jun 02 17:58:17 2014] Unbrella says out of character, 'send me a tel'
[Mon Jun 02 17:58:52 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'yo'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:13 2014] You told Unbrella, 'what'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:18 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'what the fuck are you doing?'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:20 2014] Syzzurp says out of character, 'we were here first bro... we are only after the monkies and fiends'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:24 2014] You told Unbrella, 'what the fuck does it look like?'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:28 2014] You say out of character, 'syzz'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:34 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'kiting fear and shitting on our camp'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:41 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'we're here for monkeys and fetids'
[Mon Jun 02 18:00:13 2014] You told Unbrella, 'we're here to ae the zone'
[Mon Jun 02 18:00:23 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'well we're here first'
[Mon Jun 02 18:00:25 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'so fuck off'
[Mon Jun 02 18:00:30 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'if you're going to be a snatch'
[Mon Jun 02 18:01:16 2014] Syzzurp tells you, 'really?'
[Mon Jun 02 18:01:19 2014] You told Syzzurp, 'yes'
[Mon Jun 02 18:01:24 2014] Syzzurp tells you, 'can I get the boots if they drop thats all we're after'
[Mon Jun 02 18:01:28 2014] You told Syzzurp, 'no, fuck you'
[Mon Jun 02 18:01:36 2014] Syzzurp tells you, 'we were here first'
[Mon Jun 02 18:01:56 2014] Unbrella says out of character, 'Sorry to Genocidal Tendancies, your friends in BDA are shitting on your first fear raid.'

So as you can see clearly Unbrella Told Chest to fuck off first. Also if you have been keeping up with the thread, (which is in question since your facts are all screwed up) You will notice that the arguement that TMO was just trying to help GT is shot out the window, since Both Unbrella states he is looking for the "monkies and fetids" and what Syzzurp wants is plainly clear.

Gt was talking to chest too, and there was talk in /gu and vent about letting them just join BDA's raid, but then TMO steps in, and obviously it went down hill from there.

As for your claim that Unbrella tried to resolve the situation:

http://i.imgur.com/eTyEi70.png

Now in case you cant comprehend this, let me explain. Unbrella tried to deny the incident, If TMO or anybody else on the server who claim to be trying to ease the hostilities, want to actually accomplish this task. Then the solution is to immediately step in an resolve stuff, not wait until they have been caught with So Damning evidence that they are FORCED to go into damage control mode. HENCE the reasoning behind:
[QUOTE=VANVEM;1485191]THIS!
The GM's want people to work things out on their own? FINE!

The implement a policy that makes GM intervention on punishments 10X greater if they are forced to intervene.
Because if The fear of the GM intervention is in place then people will work much harder to STOP all the bullshit. Also id that means that if someone brings frivolous petition to the GMs is called BS, then they get sanctioned, I'd be ok with that.
but consistency for the sanctions regardless of guild would have to be put in place.

and the last issue:

Originally Posted by JayN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about this do you support/condone/defend Chest your guild leaders actions or behavior ?

While I truly wish that BDa had been given the chance to work something out with GT, I have friends in GT that i would have very much liked a chance to help them out in fear. (also lets stop playing the sob story about 1st ever fear raid, it was GT's first on this server, they have experience players in the guild as well)

First off REGARDLESS of ANYONE's personal opinion, Clearing yard trash in fear IS A RAID! this is established in the servers raid policies, it truly does not matter if you like that or not

it is also been established that more than 1 grp can clear in the planes at a time, period. AGAIN does not matter if you agree or not.

So while I wish Chest and all of BDA had been given this opportunity, YEAH I dont see where Chest broke any rules, or where he allowed anyone from BDA to break any rules.
And I assure you that if anyone had, he and the other officers of BDA would not have had to wait until the threat of fraps being made for the GM's or the rest of the server came into the picture before they would have taken action.

So yes I support Chest's role in this issue.