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Originally Posted by hatelore
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Your guild should be held responsible for the actions of YOUR guild's members. That is all. Court ajourned.
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The guild should be held responsible to the extent that it failed in its duties. One person running off and being an asshole when there was no prior indication that they would do so doesn't put the responsibility on the guild. Certainly, there's associative issues which is why he was removed.
It would be laughably easy to make a new account, use a different computer & connection, and level up something to the low 50's join any number of guilds and train people. Frankly, I'm surprised that level of P99 terrorism hasn't happened already.
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Originally Posted by hatelore
And you find it hilarous that your guild cannot control its members? Yeah me too, But I bet by banning your guild for a few weeks, your guilds unruly members would fall right in line.
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Shutting down the server would also stop all the trains. Stop the feigned outrage and hyperbole.
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Originally Posted by hatelore
Companies are held responsible for the actions of there employees all of the time also, I call bullshit on your made up burger king analogy.
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When the company has a responsibility to prevent such behavior, yes. It's called
Respondeat Superior. I suggest you read more closely. The concept might seem less stupid if you actually understood it.
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Originally Posted by Ravager
Had there not been such damning fraps, Dinacarl would still be in TMO and every one of you would be defending his actions calling it a "pull" like he tried to claim before everyone knew how good the fraps was.
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He likely would have been off the hook. People get away for crimes all the time for a lack of evidence. It doesn't make it right, but that's the reality of the situation. Personally, I'm glad there's a FRAPS. It means that we can actually demand accountability for the actions of our members. That's about all any guild can do in a situation like this.