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Old 05-31-2014, 06:17 AM
Derubael Derubael is offline
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Fearing of a pet, OOR of it's master: Not allowed (or even possible?)
Fearing of a pet, in range of it's master: Allowed
Fearing of an NPC someone is fighting, player OOR of caster: Not allowed
Fearing of an NPC someone is fighting, player in range of caster: Allowed*
Fearing NPC's near PvP targets: Not allowed. I would say this is OK if you intend to engage the mob, but who opens with Fear? Just don't do it. If you train someone you might get b& b&.

As always, all other forms of training are against the rules.

*Be aware that if you're going to fear a mob someone is fighting, you are responsible for the trains that mob brings. So if you fear someones target in Seb and it goes tearing off and brings back 50 friends, that's your train and you could be subject to disciplinary action. And don't /petition to the staff when your opponent gates out and drops that train right on top of you.

If a pet draws a train after being feared, that's no ones fault. The reason why a feared pet bringing a train being OK, while a feared npc bringing one is NOT, is because when you have a pet up you are assuming a certain amount of risk while someone else is in the area. The same could be said for fighting NPC's, of course, but where fighting an NPC is a fundamental and necessary part of the game, using a pet is not. Use them when others are around at your own risk.

Please note that the above statement does not mean it is "ok" to train with pets - it's only provided here under a very specific set of circumstances. Don't go fearing your guildies' pets to drop a train on another guild and then get mad when you reference this post and get raid suspended anyway. I doubt this disclaimer needs to be here but I'd rather not take any chances.

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Originally Posted by Salaryman
Training is part of what gives depth to pvp, I would not have rolled the class I have month back, before PnP bs, if I knew this would be banned its an intergral part of EQ.
If you wanna ban trains in pvp might aswell disable monks, necros and sk because they become so much less usefull.
We had rules against training prior to the PnP going in. And with the exception of Necros, the classes you listed are already at the top of the PvP food chain without needing to train. So, yes, we do want to ban for trains, and always have. Don't do it.
Last edited by Derubael; 05-31-2014 at 08:25 AM..