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Originally Posted by Ikonoclastia
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Unless somebody has some secret proof of what existed before the universe existed (big bang) or proof of the existence of a creator (which is not scientifically impossible) then you're all going to have to agree to disagree.
Science can't say for certain there is not a creator, nor can't science and a creator together not be possible and people who believe in a creator can't say for certain there is a god (because belief in god requires not knowing or faith).
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I'm fine with agreeing to disagree. I don't feel that anyone should have any belief forced upon them. But I also deserve the right to defend my beliefs. I also feel that science and God/the bible/faith are compatible. The issue isn't with science, that's a straw man argument intended to persuade people to believe that those who have a belief in God cannot also have a belief in science. The issue comes in where evolutionary science is concerned. Much like the early church fathers twisted the meaning of scripture to fit their own personal views that included all manner of occultic and pagan religious beliefs, evolutionary scientists have twisted the scientific process to fit their own personal beliefs, which include many of the same occultic and pagan religious beliefs.
I love science myself. It has always been one of my favorite subjects. But evolution does not follow the scientific method. It follows the same method as all of the religions that it seeks to condemn.
Also, faith is not an absence of knowledge.