Thread: Spells: Bard Charm
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Even from your link Lazortag, it says :

The new level 39 charm
The level 39 charm fixed charm kiting by adding a mana cost. So the bard could charm kite, but not forever. GZ was always a big proponent of kiting, and I am guessing this was the end solution: kiting was allowed, but limited in duration.

I don't know the whole internal story behind the 39 charm. I don't know if it was meant to scale up with bard level, or had a charm cap equal to the highest kunark charms, or what. It was added fairly close to the kunark release, after the kunark spells were done. It worked on mobs up to level 55, and maybe higher.
Right after that, it says:

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All it took was a few gods getting charmed by bards for the nerf hammer to come down, and bard charm was changed to cap at 51. 51 was definitely the best cap pre-kunark, because so many encounters were designed assuming that cap existed. Having a higher cap made some of the toughest encounters at the time (PoS, etc.) easy.

Of course now, enchanters can charm level mobs over level 51 easily.

Kunark
Kunark came out and there was no improved bard charm. I'm guessing that the 39 charm was meant to be the charm for bards, and was meant to scale up in level cap as the bard gained levels. All bard songs are supposed to work this way, and there should be no need to ever improve an old bard song. But the code didn't exist. And then GZ left.

Prior to kunark, bards were at minimum the equal of enchanters in charm, and in most situations, better. The bard charm cap is 51 at level 39, 51 at level 50...and still 51 at level 60.
So before Kunark was released, the charm got nerfed. Is your suggestion that we should raise the cap to 55 for a few weeks, and then lower it to 51 again just to stay true to classic? Not to sound rude, but I just don't get why people complain about classic inconsistencies like this, when they're eventually-classic anyway.
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