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Originally Posted by Quineloe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is free multiboxing? IIRC; EQ didn't have a free trial for a long time.

Exactly; that's what I meant when I said free multiboxing wasn't allowed (free single-boxing wasn't allowed either; SOE wasn't a fan of anything free back then).

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Free multiboxing" was impossible because the accounts weren't free. Banning it is sort of a compromise because of that fact - not because it wasn't "allowed" on live.

Depends on how you look at it, I guess: my point was, there's nothing un-classic about the GM's choices re:boxing on this server (as was being asserted). In the classic era no one could create and run multiple free accounts at once. "Free multiboxing" never was and never will be classic, so there's nothing un-classic about the GMs decision to ban it. Paid multiboxing was classic, but P99 can't charge so it's impossible for them to re-reate that classic aspect.

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not about exploring and that wasn't my point. Its about expectation. People who have played the game on live know the exp slows down elsewhere. People who were playing the game for the first time didn't have any reason to expect that exp was far worse everywhere else. You're assuming they knew it was and so they would "logically" stay put. They don't.

I totally agree with you that that's true of lots of people. But a non-trivial amount of people would have noticed "hey I spent an hour in BB and got X blue bubbles from the fangs, then I spent an hour in WK and got Y blue bubbles from killing lions, and X > Y."

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But using your logic, I could argue that the puppet strings - OT Hammer trick is invalid because everyone on live should have had an OT Hammer.

There's a world of difference between:

A) taking an item that drops off a raid boss (back when relatively few people even got to face, let alone beat such bosses)
B) figuring out that you can use that item to circumvent a quest's faction requirements (on another continent)
C) knowing that one can abuse the buy/sell system to recharge that item
D) sharing that info with others, and not just keeping it a secret with your raid-boss-killing guildies

vs.

A) getting XP somewhere
B) seeing that you're still getting XP there
C) staying there

or:

A) getting XP somewhere
B) exploring for a bit ("let's see what this West Karana place is all about")
C) realizing "hey I was getting way better XP with those fangs than I am killing these lions".
D) returning to the place you got good XP

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not asserting that. I'm asserting that people would not have necessarily been mice who hit the food lever in their cage over and over and over if they thought the exp might be just as good elsewhere.

It's funny that you mention that: I specifically remember an article written back in the day explaining EQ players' behavior in terms of an experiment involving rats pushing levers. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I argued that it's *possible* that the exp was the same but folks would have no reason to assume that the exp there was better than anywhere else.

What's irrational is saying that just because some option is the best, obviously everyone will do that, especially when they aren't aware that option is the best.

As I've said, I'm not arguing "obviously everyone", I'm arguing obviously some non-trivial amount of people. When 1/3rd-1/4th of the server population passes through a dungeon, and there's a nothing secret about an XP gain there (the "secret tech" of getting that XP is just doing what you've already been doing), some players are going to notice and take advantage of that XP. Even if only 10% (of the 1/4th) thought "lions suck compared to gnoll fangs" when they left BB, and then came back to BB, there would have been enough level 20+s in Blackburrow to make us remember them.

But if you don't think so at this point, I'm certainly not going to convince you, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. Given the research done by others in this thread, it's an entirely academic argument at this point anyway.