[karsten]

Gongshow's thing basically says that there isn't a PNP until a person calls LnS, and it applies individually for small scale and as a whole for large scale -- have I got this basically right?

That's a one sentence fix that would be able to throw a bunch of this other idiocy out the window, albeit not all of it.

For example, a person could easily deny LnS to someone by saying "oh i had them on ignore" and while I don't tend to have lots of people on ignore, forcing someone to take someone off ignore just because you killed them is sorta dumb. I don't have a good solution to this, but it needs addressing.

I'll reiterate that the whole "well group A has 3 people in DL and group B has 3 in KC and then one of them dies in KC and the others zone to DL and then group A zones to KC and the dead person calls LnS but then group B leaves KC and forfeits zone control" thing still doesn't have a good solution as far as I'm concerned, hence my post a few days ago about zone lines. *Most* pvp happens near a zoneline, and a person could easily zone 10 times back and forth chasing people. I shouldn't get punished for zoning after someone. Clearly if nobody "calls LnS" then this isn't a problem, but if they do, you can't just say "use common sense" because nobody here does.

To continue, if a person chooses to not call LnS, then the issue of bind rushing remains unaddressed.

We're moving in the right direction, but as it stands now I guarantee that there are going to be more people exploiting the grey areas and spamming you GMs with petitions. I can't imagine that is what you want, and I'd venture that most people here don't want that either, regardless of what side they're on. Unless you decide on a system where pvp is resolved primarily by players and not by GMs, you're gonna have a lot of headaches.

Also, I don't see how punishing people for rule violations when they keep changing has any positive impact on any discussions on further rule changes. I mean that's just silly.

Derubael I don't share a lot of the same vitriol that some others do, but it's important to echo a point: as players, we might decide to take attacks personally and fight back -- as a CSR member you necessarily need to hold yourself to a higher standard, and I want to encourage you to continue to strive towards acting less like a player and more like a staff member. I don't say this with any malice, but it *does* show, it does matter, and I urge you to let that show through your actions in the future.