[YendorLootmonkey]

Well, I wouldn't say Class C is determined by "ability to kill in VP".

The hardcore are trying to separate guilds into Class C and R by "perceived potential". The only reason they would want a third entity in "competition" with them in Class C is not because they want one more guild to compete against and potentially lose pixels to. It's because BDA has demonstrated in the past that they are unwilling to conform to the hardcore playstyle, thus they will not be competitive in Class C, thus they will lose out on mobs when they are "Class C" and lose out on mobs when they are "Class FFA", and they wouldn't be able to touch "Class R" mobs due to the design of the 1/1/1 plan. Effectively putting BDA out of the raid scene. Which is exactly what TMO/FE/IB want. How much of a victory would it be to make the largest guild on the server a complete non-factor and limit their intake of pixels?

Again, this all goes back to the minority wanting to deny pixels to others.

The casuals, on the other hand, are trying to separate guilds into Class C and R by "preferred playstyle". The whole reason we are all raid suspended at this point is because of guilds trying to force other guilds into a particular playstyle. And here we are again, trying to stick a guild into Class C that does not want to play the way the other Class C guilds have demonstrated they want to play.

Interestingly enough, the Lord Bob guild WANTS to play the Class C way but knows it is in a much better position to stay Class R based on their "perceived potential", yet forcing their Class C style of play onto the Class Rs, going back to the entire reason we're in this situation now.

It is this fundamental disagreement of how the two classes of guilds are divided that is counterproductive to negotiations.