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Originally Posted by Raavak
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You have to admit there is a difference between an accidental train and a train meant to wreck havoc on another guild's raid. Assuming everyone plays nice the second type won't exist (good luck). But, you are going to have a lot more accidental trains in KC when VS spawns, and they may not even be caused by a raiding guild. This is a statistical probability and has nothing to do with people being jerks.
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Who said anything about people being jerks? Penalizing trains has nothing to do with punishing jerks.
Trains should be handled with a regime of strict liability. If you want to raid, you assume the risks inherent in mobilizing to a raid mob that is desired by hundreds of other players. You're liable for any harm you cause, whether or not it was intentional or even negligent.
This would put the onus on the guild to ensure its members are not training. Police your own guild. If you have members too stupid to get to an encounter without training, then you're inadequately screening and/or instructing your guild members to the detriment of every other raiding guild on the server. You must be held liable, lest we allow your guild's harmful action to be subsidized by another guild's acceptance of the resulting burden.
As a guild, you should not expect to be welcomed into the raiding scene until you are capable of controlling your raid force such that you do not negatively impact any other raid force. You are welcome to compete, to race, to kill mobs. You are not welcome to incompetently thrash around and ruin the encounter for everyone else in a mad dash to get FTE.