I have never been into hardcore raiding or even thought about being in the top end guilds. Usually somewhere around the rules of having to play over a certain amount of time per week or mandatory raid hours lets me know I'm looking at the wrong guild.
What is sad after reading this forum is you can tell the people in these guilds or wishing they could be part of the group, are actually intelligent people, but are lacking some serious social skills. There is no reason for adults to be raging or bitching this much about who can be in what guild, or talk to who. There is also a lot of people who take offense to... everything. It sounds very pathetic. Maybe if my play style aligned with the guys that you "hardcore players" have to suck up to all the time I would have to deal with it to, luckily for me I don't have the same goals when playing the game.
Even if you have always been this type of player that has to be in the top guild, have the top gear, etc. maybe its not too late to take a more a more casual approach this time around. You can still play just as much but be more social, join a normal guild that doesn't require a certain amount of nerd raging greedy freaks in it, and lower your stress while playing the game. I know there are good people in those guilds as well but we all know you have to put up with a lot of jackasses to accomplish the goals of those hardcore guilds, and it sounds like a lot of drama... for a game that came out over 10 years ago. We aren't exactly racing to discover new content with the new expansion.
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