This will most likely be my last response because I feel like I'm getting trolled at this point. I'm only trying to figure out a way everyone can get the most out of their game.
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Originally Posted by Ella`Ella
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The bottom line here is the tier 2 guilds really aren't willing to negotiate with tier 1 guilds. Tier 2 have only offered the divinity plan and have insisted the tier 1 guilds adhere to it absolutely with no modification whereas the numerous proposals by the tier 1 guilds continue to be chastised regardless of how many modifications and concessions have been made in favor of the tier 2's. This isn't a negotiation, it's holding the tier 1's hostage for a pound of flesh for past transgressions.
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Our proposal gave us less than half of a month of a rotation of mobs outside of VP which you were included in. You could most likely get 70% of the mobs in any given month and you guys shot that down, without question every single time, because of competition sake. After this happened Rogean comes up with a plan that would allow you guys to have all the competition you wanted between every guild that wants it, period. ANYONE who wants to do it can, no exceptions, but anyone who wants no part of it isn't forced into it.
You came up with plans that gave FFA mobs to the non Tier 1 guilds (sans Trak, VS and sometimes CT, or sometimes Inny) for 1 week, the rest of the time you wanted to force us to compete with you for it (which most everyone isn't even trying to do). We weren't holding anything hostage, we came up with a plan where we thought we were losing out and you STILL said no, so yeah we're not going to negotiate down from a deal that automatically favors you to be forced into the same type of raidscene > 50% of the time we play the game.
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Originally Posted by Tanthallas
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I mean...that is exactly what I proposed here. It is THE SAME as the staff proposal with the details filled in about how the tiered system would progress.
Let the people who are actually trying to build something here build something, and the people who are not not.
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No, it's not. In the staff system you don't have to be Tier 1 unless you want to (or any set of prerequisites are fulfilled). In your plan you're forcing guilds that DO NOT WANT anything to do with that, to deal with that.
How would you feel about a rotation 100% of the time? No? We know that, that's why we didn't offer it, it wouldn't be fair. Why not play the way you want, and let us play without having to deal with your playstyle?