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Support amicable guilds! in no small part because of the support garnered by most guilds and people and it represents the wishes and desires of the super majority through compromise.
I would like to point out that in my opinion all of the "tier 2 guilds" have shown a propensity to work together as far as communication and being fair. While all of these guilds most certainly have a desire to kill raid mobs, they are also the ones who are reasonable, are willing to compromise and aren't trying to suppress the majority of the server. They aren't the ones training, stirring up rants and flames, and creating headaches with frapsquest and forumquest. In short the ones acting like more mature citizens of this server. I have no doubt the 'tier 2 guilds' won't be trying to hurt the other as far as epics, conversely I actually see cooperation and communication coming in those areas.
Quite simply I see people who want everything, and those who are willing to share. I see a collection of guilds who attend meetings to hash out a proposal they all can agree on on, regardless of whether or not it benefits them completely, and I see guilds who keep throwing up their own proposals almost haphazardly on the forums in what seems to me a desperate attempt to further their own desires; which, if you will pardon me, by actions for years on this server have shown to be nothing but selfish and petty. taunting the server with the fact guildbanks have 400 extra Cloak of flames, or Trakanon teeth, or AONS, or whatever item whatever guild in the past has listed has led to this. Maybe if you could have sufficed with 300 extra Trakanon teeth as opposed to 400, or whatever the number was/is things would be different. While I do not recommend we cling to the past, we must certainly take people at what their actions and deeds say, and the history of those very actions and deeds speaks for itself and has led us to this point. Those who fail to learn from history...
There is NOTHING preventing guilds from sharing or working together in more depth than the Divinity plan proposes, all that proposal does is lay a foundation to ensure there is SOME cooperation, sharing, fairness, or what have you. To suggest Divinity and Azure Guard (as an example) will be at odds over epic pieces is ludicrous to me. Perhaps the reason certain people cannot see things differently is because we see things as we are, not as they actually are. And it speaks volumes that the dissenting guilds to the Divinity proposal on the server are throwing new proposals up left and right incessantly in an effort to seemingly avoid what everyone else wants. Rogean specifically has expressed a desire to have things change, and there are direct quotes concerning this.
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Server staff are tired of having one guild take raids to such hardcore extremes that they shit all over everyone else and make headaches for the server staff and the rest of the player base.
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I'll sum this specific post in saying you have no one to blame for this but yourselves. And by you, I mean everyone who has been in a position at the top as far as raid content goes and had the capability to not be quite as selfish. I'm not judging anyone for wanting more for themselves, but IF one of those guilds had decided to (upon achieving that dominant position) decided to allow the more casual players to have shots at mobs, or allow people to get epics in some form of cooperation, we would not be here.
Now those who are in a position to make the server a better place for EVERYONE are the ones who have in essence, been shit on, for years. You have no one to blame but yourselves. WE have no one to blame but ourselves.
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Whether you agree with it or not, we are no longer letting one or two guilds kill everything.
Deal with it.
Discussions will be kept in the raid discussion forum now.
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