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Originally Posted by Lazie
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It didn't resemble one before as far as the raiding environment was concerned. A lot of mechanics in the raid scene are not classic. The alt armies aren't classic. Not saying they are bad or that everyone should have epics I am just saying stop talking about classic as if what we had before was classic.
The timeline of classic versus this server is the huge reason for the differences. The staff and rules have tried to adapt to that IMO and the things implemented haven't always worked. Forcing TMO to come to the table and discuss changes seems like the only option that was left IMO. Now I don't blame anyone for the way the raid scene was...but it definitely wasn't healthy and it didn't inspire most of the server to want to play in it's environment.
I get the whole working for what you get argument. People should work for killing the raid mobs. But the extremes that was pushed to here became almost toxic. It was making people hate each other simply because they wear a different guild tag. When a different decision by any of those guys in regards to which guild they joined in the beginning could have easily landed them in the other guild and given them a different perspective.
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Its funny but your arguments are the same arguments that have been voiced by people in several of the top raiding guilds. There are members in TMO that have voiced the same concerns in chat and other places. They want competition and recognize that the raid scene isn't healthy. They aren't a majority by any means in any of the guilds at the top right now.
People on these forums think that the guild tag makes a person evil, or a cheater, exploiter, etc. Some people play here to hang with friends or to relive the EQ of the past but for whatever reason they have gravitated to the guild they are in for a reason. That doesn't make them all evil.
Somewhere along the line things may have just become blurred when it comes to competition that can happen. Who is willing to go further or push harder that is always the risk.
In my little over a year playing here I have met a lot of great people and I've always tried to overlook the tag they wore. I have met them with the TMO tag and other tags that I have worn and even unguilded. It made me like the game again in its purest form a chance to talk to and meet people I probably never would have. And the chance to sit back relax and just have fun in a video game.
I made friends in TMO and other guilds again not because of the tag they wore but because I enjoyed hanging out with them or talking to them. You get to hear so many neat stories about things and places you may never see or experience.
That said I really hope it all works out. I personally don't believe that any guild should be required to roll over and hand out raid targets to anyone who isn't willing to work for them. But something has got to give like people have posted here the raid scene has become too toxic. That isn't any one guilds fault since everything TMO/IB/FE/TR etc. has been accused of that made it toxic currently and in the past was also mirrored by other raiding guilds.
Hopefully something is worked out to the benefit of everyone on the server even if it is just so new players aren't scared off from at least trying the raid scene. In the end raiding isn't for everyone but everyone should have a chance to at least try if they want to.