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Originally Posted by Kergan
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That's such a cop out. I played on the server man. Hate was just as good at PVP as ToW. ToW spent just as much time trying to get gear as Hate. I played in <Nine> which had several top ToW PVPers in it including Draganov and Deas before they switched to neutral because of their disdain for Hate. There were skilled players on both sides of the fence and neither side held any significant advantage in the "skill" department.
I just get really sick of the argument (and it's used against Nihilum here) that because they are able to raid PVE content it automatically makes them bad at PVP. This game doesn't require skill to PVP to begin with, and many of the same things that make you strong in the PVE game (leadership, ability to follow directions, coming up with strategies, organization and gear) make you strong in the PVP game as well.
So can we finally put that tired, completely unprovable and frankly whiney argument to bed forever?
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I don't remember <Nine> so I can't speak to them, however I also can't remember more than a hand full of instances where Hate was able to beat any other guild in PvP with an equal number of players on both sides even with superior gear. I don't argue that Hate had many skilled PvPers, but I also remember a majority of the guild being straight PVE having never seen PVP before because they were leveled/geared up from level 1 thus making them worthless in PvP if a war ever broke out, whereas the Neutral/Good teams grew up getting griefed from level 1 so they had to learn how to PvP to survive.
My post was more geared toward the fact that no one will be able to hide behind flagged zones and gear up like Hate was able to do in PoP thus making both PVE and PvP on more equal grounds.