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Originally Posted by Illuzionz
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Sorry but you don't have a single clue what you're talking about. Not sure where the hell you heard any of the things you just said but the Bible makes it blatantly obvious that Lucifer becomes Satan after his fall. The passage from Isaiah is clearly referring to Lucifer and not the king of Babylon. Why would be refer to the king of Babylon as Lucifer? Also, Jesus later on refers to Satan and says that he saw Satan fall from Heaven like lightning just like the passage from Isaiah mentions having happened to Lucifer.
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Oh boy ... there are so many inconsistencies and misinformation from your part, I don't know where to start ...
I don't know if you are just a troll (a poor one at that even) or just plain ignorant ... or perhaps both ???
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1) You do realize the word "Lucifer" is derived from latin ? And as such didn't even exist in the "Bible" or "ancient writings" you claim untill the 3rd century AD ...
2) "Satan" is a word / name whose origins far precedes AD 0 ... - But if you really read the "Bible" you would know this ...
3) Searching the Bible, the name Lucifer only appears once and this is in Isaiah 14:12.
In this verse the person is also described as; "Son of the Morning."
This is not necessarily the 'morning star' only found two times in the Book of the Revelation.
Rev 22:16 "I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star". Christ is giving himself this title. The title is not exclusive to Christ who gives this title to anyone who overcomes as he overcame; Rev 2: 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: ... v28 And I will give him the morning star.
Babylon was at one time the greatest nation/kingdom on earth. God gives the interpretation of King Nebuchadnezzar’s dream (Daniel 2: 36- 45) in which Babylon is identified as the head of Gold. The prophecy goes on to say that the next kingdom to supercede Babylon would be the Medes and the Persians (breast of silver) an inferior nation by comparison to the wealth and splendour of Babylon.
God told through the prophet Isaiah the judgments that would come on Babylon. God’s message was to the to the King of Babylon. Here is the pronouncement made about Babylon
"And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there. But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there. Isaiah 13:19-21
Also; In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star (the star we now know by another Roman name, Venus). The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, bringer, or bearer, of light."
In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court
So it is actually logical to summize that Isiah is talking/referencing the King of Babylon and not some deity ...
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Originally Posted by Illuzionz
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The king of Babylon didn't fall from Heaven nor was he in anyway known as the son of the morning. Also it is common knowledge that Satan is the one who wants to be like the Most High. Also, Satan controls the kingdoms of the world and therefor it's kings as well. So when the message would be relayed to the king, Satan would also hear it.
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I never claimed that the King of Babylon "fell from heaven" ...
Not to mention the word/name "Satan" ...
However I digress ..., for someone like you, who is all "High and Mighty" and lecturing people in the Bible ... You sure do not seem as if you have really ready it, just the cliff-notes and not even those at best ...