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Originally Posted by aowen
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You didn't start using war on poverty, which i took as an expression to begin with until you started talking solely about that. However, what is contained in this quote is what I was arguing about, and is all I give a fuck about because whether or not a new program against poverty was beginning with LBJ doesn't matter, when there were ones before it. Your goal was to say poverty was steadily declining without government focus and money, which is false.
As for your causal stuff, yes I do think that gun laws and gun murder rates are causally related, though the murder rate with guns is also caused by several other things, as I have previously stated.
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Yes, and I later used the more specific term, which you then mistook for the minor programs FDR implemented in this area. Seriously, anyone who knows anything about American history knows that the FDR programs were minor in comparison when it comes to direct welfare. FDR at least tried to sell SS as a savings account and not a transfer system, whereas LBJ was much less strict in this manner.
I'm glad you can admit that you think there is a causal relationship. You have taken the first step towards rehabilitation. Correlation can give us guideposts towards causation, but cannot prove it directly. Your posts are full of statistics without the necessary logical arguments to help make that step towards causation. Look, I'm not some gun loving freak. Everyone accepts that there are limits to what weapons citizens may own. For instance, there are very few that believe that we should all be able to own nuclear weapons or bunker busting bombs. I think we're probably a little too loose with our laws, but as long as people like you are making multiple logical fallacies in your arguments, we're not likely to take a realistic and practical approach to the gun laws. I mean, you're not convincing anyone when you show data that Europe has lower murder rates. Whether they know it or not, they realize that far more factors come into play than just gun laws, and you're not being honest in your assessment.