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Originally Posted by W8Gamer
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As I've said, the training rules in VP have nothing to do with what was classic in VP. The GMs have already stated that was the case. So, they have been up front about that. They haven't been hiding behind anything. They've already stated that rules were put in place for reasons that have nothing to do with classic. They've also said they won't comment on it anymore because they've already stated this multiple times.
Now, as far as the rules, I think this is where there is the gap in our understanding. I've been assuming the rules were the same then as they are now. As I've already stated, I wasn't playing during that time. So, please clarify what were the different rules back then that would be equivalent to the +$2500 for sitting at the table as your analogy stated? If I missed it in your previous posts, I apologize.
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VP was a forced rotation. That's where the +$2500 for sitting at the table came from. Guilds like FE can't even log in and look around and mess around inside of VP, whereas TMO had the entire zone to mess around with and learn. The rotation was supposed to last only the first night, yet it lasted for at least a month I think (my memory is foggy). It was later resumed and there was even more time to learn the zone.
FTE and raiding petitions were also WAY different back then. Let's ignore for now that the lead-gm at the time was corrupt, shady, and dating a member of TMO and just look at the tools at GM disposal. There were no FTE shouts. The 15-man on spawnpoint poopsock rule ended up costing TMO at least one mob. VS could be pulled to KC entrance.
I could go on and on and on. Things change, there is a lot that is different rule wise, and content wise between now and 2 years ago. The reason I highlight that is because, with the training in VP rule being what it is, up and coming guilds like FE that want to raid VP aren't given the same +$2500 for sitting at the table that TMO and IB had. They don't get to play around in the zone for a month and get loot before deciding to train each other. Most guilds know that if they step foot in there they are going to be immediately trained, so they don't bother.
Ignoring what's "fair" for a second, let's not forget the main point and premise I have for being in this thread, and it's in the thread title:
Raiding in P1999 is nothing like raiding in classic. Now while only a fool would think the experience would be identical due to the game having been out for 14 years and various fixes and unintentional non-classic features existing, the fact that people have intentionally changed the raiding scene by deviating from what is classic everquest is bs imo, no matter what reasons they were for.
Sadly most people don't seem to agree with that, and if variance and nerfing ivandyrs hoops make it so that the raid scene is more competitive than the alternative of having a bunch of people sit on a spawn point spamming target so that they can hoop it down and the first group to get exp wins the encounter then they are all for creating variance and nerfing ivandyrs hoops. Similarly if they think that allowing training to occur in end-zones is a good idea because then they don't have to deal with the same number of petitions, or because it artificially leaves only the most dedicated guild to monopolize the content as happened on live when so many others could be in there doing it (not typically the case on live) then whatever.
But let's get one thing straight, that's not classic EverQuest.
When it's done INTENTIONALLY then I think it's very sad for those who want nothing more than to play on a server that is a recreation of this game during it's early years.
Shit has got nothing to do with TMO, or anyone else.