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Originally Posted by W8Gamer
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I never said TMO doesn't have an advantage. Of course they have an advantage. I'm saying they don't have an unfair advantage. Just because things worked out in their favor doesn't mean it's "unfair". That's like if a guy who's been sitting at a poker table for 4 hours manages to rack up $10,000 in chips and then I come sit at the table with my measly $500. Does the other guy have an advantage? Damn right he does. Is his advantage unfair? Nope. He got here first. He's been running the table longer than I have. Therefore I have an uphill battle. It'll be hard to overcome, but it's not impossible. Now substitute the table for p99 raid scene and substitute chips for raid loot. TMO been running the table longer than anyone else. So, whoever sits at the table is going to be at a disadvantage, but that doesn't make it unfair and that doesn't mean TMO is unbeatable.
FE has already beaten TMO in VP before. As miraculous as that may seem, it doesn't take away from the fact that it happened. That is all the proof you need that TMO can be beat in VP under the current rule set. Same goes with any other target. TMO loses targets all the time. Granted for every 1 they lose, they probably win 3, but that doesn't take away from the fact that TMO can and has been beaten. It's just about how strong is your will and determination to beat them.
Now, I already know you're going to bring up the whole shady business that happened with Amelinda. IF that's how it went down, then yes, TMO got an unfair advantage in the raid scene. However, I was not on the server when it happened so I can't comment on it. At the same, Autotune says that it DIDN'T go down like that. So, we are stuck at a he said she said dilemma. Unless you can prove that the cheating went down the way you said, it's pretty much a moot point, because regardless of what went down then, has nothing to do with people claiming the current rules need to be changed now. I mean, lets says that whole scenario never happened. What then? Who fucking knows?! There is no way to speculate what would have happened. TMO might have still beat out IB. IB might have beat out TMO. The only difference is everyone would be bitching about IB hogging all the loots, but still demanding the raid scene be fixed when it isn't even broken.
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Your poker analogy doesn't work. The rules then, were not the same as the rules now. Rules are fluid and change over time. For a better analogy, the guy who's been at the table the longest had been given a +2500 chip bonus when he sat down at the table. By the time you sat down that chip bonus no longer applied, so you have to build yours from scratch, the hard way. That's not "fair" to you.
To your second point, I agree it might be IB who won out and they might be the ones training people out of VP. At some point in the future it may very well FE who are the ones doing it. It's not wrong simply because it's TMO who's doing it and they have an advantage because they've been doing it for so long, it's wrong because
TRAINING A ZONE, NERFING IVAYNDERS HOOPS, HAVING 4 DAY VARIANCES ARE NOT CLASSIC EVERQUEST.
If it's not a real attempt to create a classic EverQuest server than fine. Let's just admit it up-front at least and not try to hide behind all of the bullshit rules and changes we've created in an attempt to "create a classic atmosphere". It's a farce.