Originally Posted by Quientus
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I may be playing "The Devils Advocate" here ...(?)
But (!), seems to me that TMO really isn't doing anything than what other Top guilds on practically every (live) server, didn't do ...
I played in the top raid guild on three different servers on live, and none of those servers had a raid system anything like we have on p1999. I think most of the individuals making these claims do not in all honesty, have enough experience over hardcore raiding on multiple servers on live to actually know any facts besides what they think is probably most accurate.
Live mind you, was NOTHING like p1999 for a whole lot of reasons. One major reason isn't even p1999's fault--the reason that nobody knew what they were doing those first few years.
As pointed out it requires dedication and willingness (and opportunity to be able to commit) time if you want to "Stay on Top" ...
Not arguing with you here.
I know alot (of those not sitting on or near "the top") keep saying it isn't about being "uber" but rather they want things to be fair ...
But if you are not playing and dedicating time to become "Upper Echelon", then what is the problem ??? If you are "only" playing for "fun", then the release of Velious will remedy alot ...
That's a bold statement to make. If you want to make assumptions, fine, but you're saying, "I KNOW a lot...".
For me personally, while I won't detail all my characters, I'll say I have multiple 60's with multiple epics that have been in more than one of the top raid guilds on this server at one time or another on various characters, and have at multiple points, controlled one of the top equipped characters of my class during various stages of the server's progression. To say that I'm unhappy with raiding right now because I'm not "working" hard enough, or because I want more "phat lewts", I just can't say is an adequate or appropriate analogy.
Another solution would or could be a "Coalition" of guilds working together and give TMO a "Run for their Money"; On E'Ci there was a Coalition of 4 guilds that was known as M illion M an M arch - MMM) ...
Granted, but I'm not so much worried about if TMO gets more loot or if any other guild gets more loot. My issue again is mostly that raiding isn't very much fun these days. I had more fun back in the earlier days when we were clearing hate and fear with level 50's and every single raid wasn't just a poop-sock where we sat on vent and didn't play, or played some alt we didn't really feel like playing over a main that we had camped.
Also therein lies my own current problem; I recently created a toon here, because even though I stopped playing EQ in 2007 (after TBS and before SoF), I still miss EQ, and no other MMO has EVER appealed to me like EQ did and does ...
However, I know myself well enough to realize that I will not be able to play "Just casual" ..., I was a "hardcore" raider, when I was active, and even though I worked 50+ hours a week, if I play, I play to win, which is why I'm still hesitant to start playing again ..., because I don't "just want to play for "fun" ", but I'm not sure I can commit the time required ...
I hate to say it because I mean no ill will toward any guild, but again being that TMO has the resources, if you get into TMO and just sock, you'll get fully geared in no time. They'll carry you and you almost don't need to do anything for it but be willing to sock.
Long story short; Maybe the 2nd tier guilds on P1999 should start to cooperate more instead of "whining", because as someone else pointed out earlier, I doubt TMO can be everywhere all the Time ...
I've not even stated if I still have a character in TMO yet or not. I will flat out state that I have at least once had a character (I have many high-level characters) in TMO. This thread isn't about whining about TMO. These discussions bashing TMO are more or less completely off-topic.
Plus, on another note, TMO can be everywhere at the same time. They can (and so can a few other guilds), because of socking. Because on average, you often never have more than 2-3 mobs in window, and TMO sports enough members with enough 60 alts where they can typically have 30+ characters logged out within FEET of the spawn spot of a given raid mob.
Just a few thoughts,
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