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Originally Posted by Morgander
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I believe you've actually detailed the problem. The problem is that there are players who will, as you put it, word for word: "and whatever else is needed to get that kill."
You would have some people doing this if there weren't any rules at all for anything on this server. That doesn't make it right, nor the best thing for the community or the server.
If there was no rule on training, then training and killing someone just so YOU can get dibs on the named doesn't make it right.
Honestly if you can't see that or agree with it, then I have nothing at all else to say to you.
"I do right, because there needs be no reason. I do wrong, because I want."
The basis for definition in contrasting a child and an adult is that maturity lies in the adult. Maturity is in knowing when to be selfless even at your own expense. Immaturity is in acting on impulse when it benefits you, regardless of another's expense.
This is truly not a hard concept. Look at the real world. People will break the rules just to "win" even in competitions as serious as the world Olympics. People will use steroids to win time and again, because they've followed your credence. Yet everyone the world over knows that doing so is against the rules in universally every single applicable situation.
In fact, what I've outlined above in red seems to me to be a picture perfect sentiment to uphold what I'm stating here. To compare analogies: "So long as Olympians are not willing to take steroids (to go the lengths), you'll always be behind."
Doing whatever it takes to win is NOT justifiable by anything but greed. You should'v learned that in grade school, or before.
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The problem with the view here is you're taking "doing whatever it takes to win" and associating it with negative and immoral actions when that isn't always the case. There are rules in place to keep the playing field fair. If players operate within those rules, what makes it unjustifiable, immoral, or greedy?
Would you call the Olympian that works out for an hour more than the rest of the competition every day greedy or immoral? Of course not. You would commend him for his dedication and hard work in order to win the competition. He went the extra mile. He did what all those other Olympians weren't willing to do by sticking it out in the gym for that extra hour each day despite how tired he was.
One could argue that's what TMO or any top guild is doing. They are going that extra mile to achieve their goal. To beat their competition. They are willing to sit and track that spawn those 8 hours that none of the other guilds are. They are willing to sacrifice hours of play to have their character parked in the most strategical location to kill their target. What's immoral or greedy about that? They aren't violating any rules just like that Olympian who isn't violating any rules by working out an extra hour every day.
Not everyone gets the gold medal at the Olympics and I've never heard anyone call the winner a greedy, immoral person for all the sacrifices he makes in order to deprive the competition of that gold medal. You could argue it's the same for raid loot. Not everyone gets to have raid loot. So, why now all of sudden are those who make sacrifices to get the kill considered greedy and immoral? As long as they are operating within the rules, where is the injustice?