Even when Kringe took over and brought together like seven different guilds for a week and a half, it still never felt from the outside or from aim chat like a choesive group that could be built upon. Now I'm not blaming Kringe for that, he got a chance to deal with the same special human beings I did for a couple of weeks, but I've just never seen here outside of maybe holocaust for the first couple of months, a real guild with a real identity compete, and even holo had tons of problems.
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