Here's how it went down from my perspective.. I was contacted by an officer of Taken that Europa was taking Sky from us today. I honestly thought this was a mistake because I had thought highly of Europa up to that point. I logged in (I was camped out in Sky) and sure enough, they were there and fighting Spiroc Lord.
I established contact with Asterid (Boilon on P99 forums), one of the leaders of Europa (they lead by council, not a single leader with officers). The basics of the conversation were that they had asked to be contacted by guilds via this thread regarding working on sky rotation changes and only FE had responded (apparently not true as BDA had also responded.) Asterid came across with an aggressive and dick-ish manner while I was trying to be polite and have a meaningful conversation. I managed to remain civil and asked that we resume discussions via PM (nothing received yet). He indicated that because he posted in this forum and bumped the thread and waited a week that it was sufficient to justify rolling into Sky on Taken's allotted night without any effort at direct communication with myself or any other officer in Taken. It's quite a simple thing to do too (click on Taken's recruitment thread and select one of many ways to contact us directly (email, PM, guild website, etc). Nothing was done and the line being towed by Europa's leadership is that it's not their fault they decided to do this.. It's our fault for not reading a post in a forum thread 40+ pages deep and then for initiating contact with them.
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[Thu Aug 22 16:23:28 2013] You told Asterid, 'My guild contact information is available and known to your guild leadership (I had contacteds someone regarding working together on stuff, which I am sure you are aware of)'
[Thu Aug 22 16:23:53 2013] Asterid tells you, 'i dont care whos contact information is available to whom, I REQUESTED ALL GUILDS to PM me on the forums if they wanted to work to a resolution for sky with Europa'
[Thu Aug 22 16:24:06 2013] Asterid tells you, 'I was not to send a PM to everyone, they were to PM us'
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Pretty ballsy to be so arrogant as to demand that others contact him as he is apparently above such pedestrian activities..
I told him that he was screwing over Taken and felt that he had negative tune with me and he said..
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[Thu Aug 22 16:21:49 2013]i have no idea what your talking about, we rolled a dice 1-5 monday-friday'
[Thu Aug 22 16:21:55 2013] Asterid tells you, 'completely random day'
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This is utter bullshit and we ALL know it. (never mind that they had an offer of Friday already). Taken was chosen because we have a reputation for being laid back and not prone to reacting harshly when faced with asshattery.. I truly doubt that they would have stepped on FE's or BDA's nights like this as those guilds are much less forgiving of such things.
He then had to audacity to tell me
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[Thu Aug 22 16:25:12 2013] Asterid tells you, 'if you would like to enter further negotiations with us we can talk it out and see what we can work with now, but as far as i see it nobody was interested in contacting me'
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Sorry but nobody would ever negotiate with someone that has wronged them or behaved like dicks as Europa has done. I will not negotiate jack-shit with them now. They can post another apology on the forums for all to see and explain again that they made dumb-ass decisions and behaved poorly and in direct contradiction to the established and agreed upon rotations in Sky. They can apologize for wasting the time of 40 people who had to make key corpses. They can also repay us the expense we experienced porting to sky for key corpse refreshes. I will then consider hearing them out and working on an agreement.
The really sad part of this is that had he reached out to me directly, we would have gladly worked on a compromise and perhaps done some joint raids etc. This shit storm would have never happened had the leaders in Europa like Asterid made the simple effort of writing a PM to me. They didn't even have the decency to contact us to let us know of their intentions.
This should concern all guilds, not just Taken. You should each be reassessing your opinions and trust concerning Europa. This sky rotation was one of the two rare areas on the server where all guilds agreed to work together on a schedule (the Ragefire rotation was the other) and Europa decided that they were above it all. The days offered to them were not to their liking so they decided to steal from others.