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Originally Posted by Ele
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Are you serious? At least when PvP is enabled people expect to be killed by other people in some form. People don't roll blue to get griefed or killed by other people unless they consent to a duel.
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I don't think you read what I stated well.
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Originally Posted by Nietche
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To me, it's more unsportsmanlike to use the environment to kill someone when PvP is enabled than when the converse is true (such as it is on p99 blue).
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Environment = the "E" in PvE
PvP = Player versus Player
So when I say "use the environment," I'm talking about bugs, exploits, and--the topic of this thread--training.
My argument is that when PvP is enabled--meaning that people can attack other people without resorting to "PvE tactics" (like training), it is more unsportsmantlike to resort to said training than when PvP is not possible (like p99 blue). In other words, PvP'ers who resort to training to kill other people rather than "hand to hand combat" are going to get the "unsportsmanlike conduct flag" every time. No one (not even the culprit) is going to argue the flag,
even when training is technically legal such as in VP. Period.
In PvE, it's a different story, and I will submit the argument (again) that the reason why the area is grayer on a blue server is because there are no alternatives to training in killing someone for a particular reason. So in a zone like VP from where Rogean and staff pretty much stay away (in the case of training), it's not likely that 100% of the population is going to come away from the act of "training" thinking that it was unsportsmanlike.
This is not to say that I think "training" is ok in either scenario, but there is a definite continuum to weigh in on; and I don't sit on either of the absolutes.
I will submit that the part of the quote (below), given my above points, consists of a fallacy, which in particular deals with the modus tollens part of the argument (and I should have added the bracketed verb as well). I should have stated that, on p99 red, the question of training in VP being unsportsmanlike is pretty close to 100% "yes." On blue, it's questionable (in VP).
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Originally Posted by Nietche
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The only reason why training is [considered] unsportsmanlike in VP is because we can't PvP.
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