What I proposed above is not the same rule set we had before. Do I need to say it again? I think I do. I will expand on some ideas since before but it is basically the same:
Nagafen is up. He is big mean and nasty. He needs to die.
Guild A comes into the zone and shouts in their guildchat that Nagafen is up. You see, Guild A knows that they need 20 people to be in the zone and ready to go to claim this encounter. Guild A is successful in getting the required 20 people in the zone and claims the encounter.
During this time, Guild B and Guild C were doing the same, but they just could not muster the people up. They are willing to be team players and understand that Guild A was more efficient. According to established rules, Guild B and Guild C leave the zone to allow Guild A to do the encounter without any trains, possible zone lag, etc. Guild B and C wait in Lavastorm.
Guild A did a good job but they just could not handle the raid encounter and as a result they wipe. Guild B and C rejoice because they now have a chance to take the encounter. Since Guild B and C have the minimum of 20 people, they /random 0 100 to decide which guild will be able to claim Nagafen. Guild C wins the roll and as such, has 30 minutes to get in there and attempt Nagafen.
Guild C kills Nagafen. Guild B resolves to be there faster next time. Guild A resolves to work on their tactics better next time. Guild C rejoices because Nagafen dropped a Cloak of Flames.
This is an example and can be tweaked of course, but you get the idea. THIS IS NOT THE SAME SET OF RULES THAT EXISTED BEFORE. This is a new idea.
I can tell you right now that if something like this was put into play, IB would be more than willing to go along with this because it rewards organization and tactics.
This is a fair solution and would even work with Nizzarr's proposed variance spawn times if that is what we wanted.
I am trying to be a team player here. I realize that IB is not going to fully get what they want. That seldom works with negotiations. This idea allows ANY number of guilds to lay claim to a raid encounter. It does not allow a top guild to bully another guild since it is a test of quick organization, yet at the same time is a test of tactics too.
It is quite possible for Transcendence, or any guild, to lay claim on any raid encounter just as much as IB.
This solves our dilemma and allows the best possible solution in my opinion.
I would be willing to start a new thread where we can talk specifics and draft up a good proposal. Are you willing to do this? Again, I just used numbers to show the flow of how things would go. Concrete details could be discussed in a new thread dedicated to this issue.
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