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Originally Posted by kaos057
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So a single group in a dungeon is the same as a raid killing a raid mob? Interesting.
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wtf are you talking about? those are two completely different things and i never suggested they are the same....but guess what you need for both of those instances - - - high magic resists
you can have 3 interrupt spells in your bar at all times - tishan's clash, tishan's discord, and draught of jiva - - because the rest of your group is already plowing on the mob (one or two melees and a charmed pet) there is already plenty of damage being dealt.
if you use all 3 you will be able to cast them all without waiting for the long cooldowns of the dd stuns
i've never had any complaints about saving my priests mana - - ever - - nor have i ever had any complaints about stunning out the hasted dual-wielding pets whose charm breaks and starts raping the nec/enc/dru who charmed it. clerics should also do this, but god forbid a cleric ever does anything besides sit on their ass (ffs they wear plate and have DA and complain whenever they're hit, then gate out leaving everyone else behind the instant shit hits the fan)
never have i had any complaints about stunning and holding agro on a cleric mob (i.e. elemental harvester in hole) to keep him from casting ch on the mobs we're dealing with
the issue with draught of jiva is that its a 0 second stun - - the enemy mob will start casting right after the interrupt so you have to have a dd stun ready to knock out the next cast. the dd stuns you have some time to throw in a concussion, annul magic, or fast nuke during the stun duration (sunstrike is way too slow of a cast and too mana-intensive and needs to be used for special circumstances)
draught of ice and draught of jiva both cost 215mana and both have the same cast time - - draught of ice does 731 at lvl 60 and draught of jiva does 688 at lvl 60. for a 45dmg sacrifice you can stop a spell which will heavily damage a group member, or cause the aforementioned 10 minute slow - - - please explain to me how this isn't mana efficient
the way shaman mobs work (it seems none of you have ever even been in a dungeon with casters in it) is that they quit trying to cast slow after a while - they might attempt it once or twice. you are not delaying the slow for 5 seconds, you are stopping it from being cast altogether. when they get to about 30% hp they start to cast a heal - at which point you use draught of jiva to interrupt it, knock them down to 20% at which point they start to run because you have the mob snared already and your group deals the remaining damage with impunity (or are you going to waste mana DPSing an incapacitated mob when you already in a roundabout way dealt 20% of the damage to the mob)
AND AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED - - - wizards don't deal mass damage - - you run out of mana quickly if you really turn up the heat. you save mass dps for certain mobs, it is impossible to deal massive damage for sustained periods of time. this is why every scrub wizard posted up LFG at kc and seb never gets asked to group, and when you do get asked you just get harassed the whole time you're in the group about how little sustained dps you do.
as mentioned before, to play necro well you end up doing a bunch of small tasks constantly to support the group. its the same idea with a well played wiz. it is similar to an APM count in starcraft - - a higher quantity of spells being cast to assist your group is immeasurably more helpful than "just dps"
funny thing is - - - it costs 195 mana to cast a tishan's discord and a tishan's clash (130 and 65 mana, respectively), both of those deal 310 dmg and stop the spells of the caster mobs (and it also keeps the enemy from attacking, which over a couple hours of playing in a dungeon is thousands of saved damage against your party, which is a lot of saved mana for your priests). one draught of ice costs 215 mana and does 731dmg at lvl 60 (and doesn't stop a damn thing.) by doing tishan's clash, tishan's discord, draught of jiva, AND peppering in draught of ices during stun duration when necessary you are being far more helpful than the number that shows up (or doesn't show up) on the parse.