[Tasslehofp99]

The issue is in many cases raids are rarely camped out or prepared in range of where the mob spawns/is engaged. Some examples are gorenaire, talendor, faydedar, severilious.

What happens is guilds competing for theae mobs usually have a preset camp location where raid forces are camped and buffed prior to the mpb spawning. In these situations tracker toons are used to keep eyes on the mob, and then alert their respective guilds when it spawns. However since many times theae tracking toons aren't fit for pulling dragons, most guilds park characters who are capable nearby to the spawn points but away from where raid forces generally set up camp.


When the mob spawns pullers are sent out to get the pull/fte. Since fte shout only carries a range equivalent to /say, anyone who isn't already INSIDE of the dragons aggro radius won't see the fte shout. Therefore, unless you can clearly see the dragon is on the move (obviously engaged) there's no way to tell who is engaged/potentially kiting. This alone to me makes the fte shout useless in its current form.

There are mobs where it certainly serves its purpose such as venril sathir, trak, and dojo.


The potential for people to kite mobs in order to buy time for their raid force to mobilize is still there. It comes to the point where fraps is a requirement for every raider, which is ridiculous and NOT classic! I have literally seen dragons kited indefinitely on numerous occasions, even following a wipe, in order to buy a guild enough time to recover and engage again.


When you submit what you believe to be proof of a dragon being kited and you KNOW it was being kited (regardless of what the reason may be) rarely is it deemed hard enough evidence to warrant a raid suspension. TMO constantly kites fay, sev, and talendor yet has never received a raid suspension since FE was created. I have lots of fraps to prove it too. I think this is where fte shout comes into play.


If you have a zonewide fte shout there is no way a guild can deny they have aggro on a mob because there will be a broadcast to all in zone which should provide enough of a timeframe that a kite would ve obvious.


For instance sev should not take longer than 2 minutes to be engaged by a raid after the initial FTE shout. And if it does then you know he was in fact not pulled directly to the raid as the raid rules require. Fay and talendor are a bit different but the same generally applies. Fay is tough because TD is so big that unless you are literally watching whoever engages first and pulls it you have no way of telling fay is being kited, especially when a typical fay pull can take around 5 to 7 minutes from fte shout to engage.


Really I don't even see what the argument against zone wide fte shouts are, sure its not classic but neither is gm sanctioned training in veeshans peak. The server staff is volunteer and has their hands full, fte shouts being zone wide would just alleviate a bit of their work load...theoretically.