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Just like future generations won't have to pay for what we're currently doing to the planet.
Just like we're not currently paying for the bills of previous generations, and generations ahead of us the same.
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Now you're linking environmentalism to racism? You broke your stretch armstrong when you were a kid didn't you?
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Just like we don't pay for every war we've ever fought or struggle we've endured in the form of memorial and cultural memory. I never experienced the Great Depression-- but do you think that its vestiges and legacy and lasting impression isn't there for everyone to see?
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Outside of lines of text in a history book, it's not. Unless you are getting a masters in economics, after high school you won't hear a single word about the depression outside some barely founded comparisons to it when the GoP president tosses us into a recession. The same level of comparisons that compare 9/11 or the Boston Marathon Bombing to Pearl Harbor. Or you know, comparing environmental damage to racism.
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What about the Germans, who built the memorial to the murdered Jews of Europe in 1999? Don't you think it'd be easier for them to just ignore what happened during WW2 during previous generations and just move on already? Aren't they just making too big of a deal of the Holocaust, beating a dead horse, and everyone just needs to get over it because it's not like the Holocaust affected every aspect of our international order or cultural understanding of the world, history, and the depth of humanity, right?
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A memorial was built. It's a memorial not a payment, let's try to stay on topic here. Germany paid their dues after WWII thanks to the Soviet Union. Or did you forget that they had their own 45 years of suffering via the Berlin Wall/Iron Curtain?
Does it excuse the Holocaust? Of course not, but both sides realize that making each other suffer further would be a barbaric exercise with no positive end outcomes. Then again we're talking about Europe and not Amurika so the things they do out there actually make sense some of the time.
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Which "institutions" are "extinct" exactly? The police forces that empirically target and harass citizens of color at disproportionate rates for drug crimes, despite every bit of evidence leading to the idea that illegal drug transactions are a static occurrence across class and racial lines?
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Cops are pigs, tell me something I don't know. You however make the jump from blaming all white people for the actions of a select corrupt group. (The same way you blame the citizens for bullshit laws the government that I didn't vote for put into place).
It's interesting you concentrate on the drug war (which is close to seeing it's last days) and not any other forms of crime which statistically the small population of black people perform a gigantic percentage of those crimes, particularly against other black people. But we'll just ignore these facts because they detract from blaming whitey.
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"Blacks continue to be faced with punishing unfairness and inequalities. Soaring rates of unemployment, discriminatory drug laws, disproportionate prison sentences, unequal access to health care and healthy food, unfair stop-and-frisk policies and “accidental” shootings of unarmed black men by the police — these and more are treated with indifference or contempt. We’re told to stop complaining, to get over it. No one cares. But that’s just the point of living in the United States. Somebody is supposed to care. Our elected officials, beginning with the president, are charged with the responsibility of listening to the needs, the grievances, the voices of the people — including people of color."
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You're kind of going in 6 different directions here, 3 of which I've addressed above and the others which aren't even on topic.
"disproportionate prison sentences, unequal access to health care and healthy food" are classist issues not racist issues. Stop trying to blame everything on race, you are the racist one in that discussion every time.
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"Memory is life." Are you just painfully naive or trolling my ass?
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Learn the difference between a memorial and a grudge and we can have a discussion without hate mongering. All you know how to do is blame blame blame. Why not come up with an actual solution for once if your vision is so much clearer than everyone else's?