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Something smells fishy in Erud's Crossing

https://wiki.project1999.com/Barren_Flounder
Look on the item ID on this thing - it is way out of timeline, no?
https://eqdb.net/item/detail/22761

Currently it is in the catch pool for Erud's Crossing (and maybe Erudin or S Qeynos? I was fishing a while on that boat).

Please delete this unclassic filth (and fix the fishing tables in the needful zones).

Thankyoubye.

Trying to rob people of their fishy meals right after the food change got put in. What a pirate.

Here is a link from 2001 listing the fish, so it's at least in the timeline.

https://web.archive.org/web/20010410...shing_zone.htm

If anyone wants to otherwise review a list of fish to check if they are not classic:

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10lb Fetid Bass,11lb Fetid Bass,12lb Fetid Bass,13lb Fetid Bass,14lb Fetid Bass,15lb Fetid Bass,16lb Fetid Bass,17lb Fetid Bass,2lb Fetid Bass,3lb Fetid Bass,4lb Fetid Bass,5lb Fetid Bass,6lb Fetid Bass,7lb Fetid Bass,8lb Fetid Bass,9lb Fetid Bass,A Black Cod Card,A Blue Cod Card,A Red Cod Card,A White Cod Card,Barren Flounder,Boar Carp,Cauldron Trout,Cave Guppy,Chokai Bass,Clockwork Koi,Cobalt Cod,Crystalline Cave Fish,Danak Grouper,Despair Chub,Dragon Bay Snapper,Evergreen Salmon,Fogwater Trout,Frosty Cave Trout,Giant Fetid Bass,Gigantic Fetid Bass,Greengill Salmon,Grotto Bluegill,Gunthak Mackerel,Hatch Dace,Highland Pike,Hound Pike,Humongous Fetid Bass,Iceclad Cutlassfish,Ikfish,Kedge Carp,Kerra Catfish,Koada Cichlid,Krup Guppy,Kunzar Koi,Large Fetid Bass,Pine Cichlid,Rathe Muskie,Red Roughy,Rujarkian Chub,Ry`Gorrian Toothfish,Salt Minnow,Saltwater Seaweed,Salty Whitefish,Sewer Catfish,Sponge Mushroom,Stonefish,Thullian Mudskipper,Thunder Salmon,Timorous Tuna,tiny Fetid Bass,Weary Wrass,Wulf Fish

Shame on me. Thanks Nilbog!

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Originally Posted by nilbog (Post 3753588)

I don't think Weary Wrass are obtainable on P99, unless it's been fixed already.

From Nilbog's link we see mention of a Bloodfin Trout fished from the Lake of Ill Omen. That one is missing from the P99 database query.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20010628....html?skill=15

Quote:

RE: Exotic Fish
By: mymaku
Posted @ Thu, Mar 29th 11:24 PM [2001]

Reeled in a ton of bloodfin trouts in Lake of Ill Omen; they sold for a little over two times as much as fresh fish.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20010628...picID=18.topic

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Tellemar
(4/3/01 10:12:07 pm)
Re: New Fish Found

Some of these, (like the gunthak makeral) have been around for a while, but most are new. Also, A new fish i just caught in the Lake of Ill Omen is the bloodfin trout, sells for 4.5 silver each to vendors with 70 charisma, is edible and i caught them every time with a skill of around 140 (can't remember exactly).

It was apparently removed from the lake in summer 2002, but should be fishable in P99's timeline.

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Zone                        items reeled in

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Lake of Ill Omen        none (Bloodfin Trout used to be available in this zone, but now appear to be extinct)

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A fair number of the zone-specific fish were added in Mar2001, a few others in Sept2000. Do any have era flags set?

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The Salt Minnow shouldn't be fishable on P99. It's part of the long-broken Hollow Skull/Skull of Torment quest.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20030817...picID=88.topic

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Feninie
(5/19/03 3:21 am)
The Hollow skull - new thread

For old discussion please see this thread:

pub8.ezboard.com/foldunso...D=24.topic

Also see

everquest.allakhazam.com/...quest=2177

The Tower Cook's Head (aka The Hollow Skull)

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Salt minnow was not in game for a long time, however popped up on test early May 2003 ( mboards.eqtraders.com/php...3057#53057 )

The May 14 2003 patch included this info, at this time Salt Minnow was thought to have entered the live servers.

Quote:

- Added Honey Mush Bread to Cabilis Vendors - This is an item needed for a quest that was unavailable.
- The Skull of Torment quest - This quest, in Kurn's Tower, should now work.

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- https://web.archive.org/web/20031125...art=21&stop=40

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vhiash
(6/11/03 1:45 pm)
Salt Minnow

Was fishing today (Wed June 11, 2003) in East Cabilis for the catfish... Also got a salt minnow (live on Firiona Vie). Go to it peeps =)

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Zorraak
(6/11/03 4:04 pm)
Re: Salt Minnow

I can confirm that Salt Minnows are live - I caught two of them on E'Ci today after the patch.

I already had some Zombie Skin and a Bixie Honeycomb ... however the combination of:

Zombie Skin
Zombie Skin
Honeycomb
Salt Minnow

was a DNC in the Cabilis oven. I'm still looking for "Zombie Flesh" ... anyone ever seen it?

Zorraak - 63 Warlock - E'Ci

Our per-zone fishing implementation currently has no functionality for 'rule-basing' eras. I'll work on getting this added.

Itemizing fish per zone (and rules) would probably be a good crowd source/research project due to the limited scope.

Added rule support for fishing; each zone may now have individual rules per possible fished items.

-Removed Salt Minnow
-Added Bloodfin Trout to lakeofillomen

Here is the complete list.

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akanon        Clockwork Koi        

blackburrow        Hound Pike        

butcher        Stonefish        

butcher        Saltwater Seaweed        

cabeast        11lb Fetid Bass        

cabeast        15lb Fetid Bass        

cabeast        3lb Fetid Bass        

cabeast        7lb Fetid Bass        

cabeast        Gigantic Fetid Bass        

cabeast        Large Fetid Bass        

cabeast        10lb Fetid Bass        

cabeast        14lb Fetid Bass        

cabeast        2lb Fetid Bass        

cabeast        6lb Fetid Bass        

cabeast        Giant Fetid Bass        

cabeast        Large Fetid Bass        

cabeast        tiny Fetid Bass        

cabeast        13lb Fetid Bass        

cabeast        17lb Fetid Bass        

cabeast        5lb Fetid Bass        

cabeast        9lb Fetid Bass        

cabeast        Large Fetid Bass        

cabeast        Sewer Catfish        

cabeast        12lb Fetid Bass        

cabeast        16lb Fetid Bass        

cabeast        4lb Fetid Bass        

cabeast        8lb Fetid Bass        

cabeast        Humongous Fetid Bass        

cabeast        Large Fetid Bass        

cabwest        10lb Fetid Bass        

cabwest        14lb Fetid Bass        

cabwest        2lb Fetid Bass        

cabwest        6lb Fetid Bass        

cabwest        Giant Fetid Bass        

cabwest        Large Fetid Bass        

cabwest        tiny Fetid Bass        

cabwest        13lb Fetid Bass        

cabwest        17lb Fetid Bass        

cabwest        5lb Fetid Bass        

cabwest        9lb Fetid Bass        

cabwest        Large Fetid Bass        

cabwest        Sewer Catfish        

cabwest        12lb Fetid Bass        

cabwest        16lb Fetid Bass        

cabwest        4lb Fetid Bass        

cabwest        8lb Fetid Bass        

cabwest        Humongous Fetid Bass        

cabwest        Large Fetid Bass        

cabwest        11lb Fetid Bass        

cabwest        15lb Fetid Bass        

cabwest        3lb Fetid Bass        

cabwest        7lb Fetid Bass        

cabwest        Gigantic Fetid Bass        

cabwest        Large Fetid Bass        

cauldron        Cauldron Trout        

chardok        Chokai Bass        

citymist        Ikfish        

citymist        Fogwater Trout        

cobaltscar        Cobalt Cod        

cobaltscar        Dragon Bay Snapper        

crushbone        Boar Carp        

crystal        Crystalline Cave Fish        

eastkarana        Thunder Salmon        

eastwastes        Ry`Gorrian Toothfish        

erudsxing        Barren Flounder        

feerrott        Thullian Mudskipper        

felwithea        Koada Cichlid        

felwitheb        Koada Cichlid        

firiona        13lb Fetid Bass        

firiona        17lb Fetid Bass        

firiona        5lb Fetid Bass        

firiona        9lb Fetid Bass        

firiona        Large Fetid Bass        

firiona        Sewer Catfish        

firiona        12lb Fetid Bass        

firiona        16lb Fetid Bass        

firiona        4lb Fetid Bass        

firiona        8lb Fetid Bass        

firiona        Humongous Fetid Bass        

firiona        Large Fetid Bass        

firiona        Saltwater Seaweed        

firiona        11lb Fetid Bass        

firiona        15lb Fetid Bass        

firiona        3lb Fetid Bass        

firiona        7lb Fetid Bass        

firiona        Gigantic Fetid Bass        

firiona        Large Fetid Bass        

firiona        10lb Fetid Bass        

firiona        14lb Fetid Bass        

firiona        2lb Fetid Bass        

firiona        6lb Fetid Bass        

firiona        Giant Fetid Bass        

firiona        Large Fetid Bass        

firiona        tiny Fetid Bass        

highpass        Highland Pike        

hole        Hatch Dace        

iceclad        Salty Whitefish        

iceclad        Iceclad Cutlassfish        

innothule        Thullian Mudskipper        

innothule        Rujarkian Chub        

kael        Frosty Cave Trout        

karnor        Wulf Fish        

kedge        Kedge Carp        

kerraridge        Kerra Catfish        

lakeofillomen        Bloodfin Trout        

lakerathe        Rathe Muskie        

mischiefplane        A Black Cod Card        

mischiefplane        A White Cod Card        

mischiefplane        A Red Cod Card        

mischiefplane        A Blue Cod Card        

northkarana        Thunder Salmon        

nurga        Sponge Mushroom        

nurga        Cave Guppy        

oot        Saltwater Seaweed        

oot        Gunthak Mackerel        

overthere        Danak Grouper        

qey2hh1        Thunder Salmon        

qrg        Pine Cichlid        

sebilis        Kunzar Koi        

sirens        Grotto Bluegill        

sleeper        Weary Wrass        

southkarana        Thunder Salmon        

swampofnohope        Krup Guppy        

swampofnohope        Despair Chub        

timorous        Saltwater Seaweed        

timorous        Timorous Tuna        

tox        Greengill Salmon        

warslikswood        Evergreen Salmon        

westwastes        Red Roughy

If there are any changes needed, for example an item wasn't able to be fished until X date, it can be reported like:

butcher Saltwater Seaweed Sep2000.

This one caught my eye because I believe that is used in dyes, and possibly needs a rule attached.

The fishing system itself was in bad shape, and I made many other changes while I was working on this. Those will be reported in other threads.

I was working through some merchant items, so I just made a new sheet:
- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1258607884

As far as I can tell, there were 3 main eras of fish expansion: Apr2000, Sept2000, and Mar2001 (+PoM). Zone-specific fish were first released with Kunark. Sept2000 saw the addition of the tackle box, lure and fish egg recipes, and a few fish (salmon/mackerel) used in those fish egg recipes. Then in Mar2001, we see unique fish being added to a number of Old World and Velious zones.

From Allakhazam's early fishing page:
May2000 - https://web.archive.org/web/20000511...ls/Fishing.htm

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As far as I can tell, you can catch one of four things: a generic fish (worth about 2 silver pieces), a fish scale (worth about 4 copper pieces), a rusty dagger (worth about 1 ½ silver pieces) or a tattered shoe (worth about 1 silver piece).

Jun2000 - https://web.archive.org/web/20000613...ls/Fishing.htm

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As far as I can tell, you can catch one of four things: a generic fish (worth about 2 silver pieces and edible), a fish scale (worth about 4 copper pieces), a rusty dagger (worth about 1 ½ silver pieces) or a tattered shoe (worth about 1 silver piece). In Kunark, you can also catch specialized items, that seem to be zone specific.
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Kunark Fishing Catches:

Cabilis - Fetid Bass (sized from tiny fetid bass to humongous fetid bass)
City of Mist - Ikfish
Firiona Vie - Fetid Bass (sized from tiny fetid bass to humongous fetid bass), sewer catfish
Karnor's Castle - Wulf Fish
Lake of Ill Omen - Illweed reed, Wet Clay
Overthere - Danak Grouper
Ocean of Tears - Saltwater Seaweed.
Swamp of no Hope - Krup Guppy
Timorous Deep - Timorous Tuna
Warslik's Woods - Evergreen Salmon

Oct2000 - https://web.archive.org/web/20001008...ls/Fishing.htm

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As far as I can tell, you can catch one of four things: a generic fish (worth about 2 silver pieces and edible), a fish scale (worth about 4 copper pieces), a rusty dagger (worth about 1 ½ silver pieces) or a tattered shoe (worth about 1 silver piece). In Kunark, and now in some other zones, you can also catch specialized items, that seem to be zone specific.
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Zone-specific Fishing Catches: (you need a skill over 100 to catch some of these)

Cabilis - Fetid Bass (sized from tiny fetid bass to humongous fetid bass)
City of Mist - Ikfish
Firiona Vie - Fetid Bass (sized from tiny fetid bass to humongous fetid bass), sewer catfish
The Karanas - Thunder Salmon
Karnor's Castle - Wulf Fish
Lake of Ill Omen - Illweed reed, Wet Clay
Nurga - Cave Guppy
Overthere - Danak Grouper
Ocean of Tears - Saltwater Seaweed; Gunthak Mackarel
Swamp of no Hope - Krup Guppy
Toxxulia Forest - Greengill Salmon
Timorous Deep - Timorous Tuna
Warslik's Woods - Evergreen Salmon

Comments on Illweed Reed and Wet Clay
- https://web.archive.org/web/20030118...e=35&id=167395

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Submited by: Moort Wurmtooth On: 7/13/2000 6:36:59 AM
I have never fished an illweed reed from the lake. I am a master fisherman and spent most of my time raising my skill here fishing. NADA! If anyone on POVAR has any of these i am looking for 4 of em.

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Submited by: matt tate On: 8/3/2000 8:01:17 AM
I have fished out illweed. Been a while though. May have accidently got broken

- https://web.archive.org/web/20030803...html?quest=200

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Illweed can't be fished anymore it seems
Posted @ Fri, Jul 14th 9:46 AM 2000
By: Mannra Mystikclaw

I have used over 200 bait as of Jul 13 and no Illweed reeds or wet clay are able to be fished anymore for some reason

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RE: Illweed can't be fished anymore it seems
Posted @ Fri, Sep 22nd 11:58 PM 2000
By: Anonymous

as of sept 23 i have gotten my fishing skill to master and still no illweed

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Illweed Reed
Posted @ Wed, Apr 25th 8:34 AM 2001
By: Lolanda

Yesterday I foraged one with my ranger. Put down the poles, and get to foraging.

Meorum
Proud Member of Couer de Lion
Morrel-Thule

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Reeds and Clay
Posted @ Wed, May 9th 1:56 AM 2001
By: Anonymous

Wet Clay Forages in Overthere.
I regularly Forage IllWeed Reeds in Lake of Ill Omen.

Sept2000

- https://groups.google.com/g/alt.game...m/xWtW5Pcprx4J

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Watchman
Sep 21, 2000, 7:00:00 AM

The patch message said there's more to catch when fishing, has anyone caught
anything new?

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John M Clancy
Sep 21, 2000, 7:00:00 AM

I caught Thunder Salmon in South Karana. It has a different graphic than
the fresh fish and sells for twice as much.

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James@work
Sep 21, 2000, 7:00:00 AM

I was catching Gunthak Makerel and Saltwater Seaweed in the Ocean of Tears.

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John C-W
Sep 21, 2000, 7:00:00 AM

I caught some seaweed in OOT a couple of weeks ago so that one's not new.

A reference to Greengil Salmon a few days after the patch (not captured):
- https://web.archive.org/web/20001018...creenshots.asp

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Fishing for Greengill Salmon - Magpye - 9/24/2000 8:55:25 AM